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Ferrari unveils first fully electric car
Not true. Other brands have had fully electric cars way before Ferrari.
/jk I know what it means, I just read it like this the first time and made me giggle.
Looks boring and generic, you are Ferrari ffs… Give me fins, lasers, cool interiors, fucking something to make it stand out. Who wants this?
Jaguar did this too, making boring EVs with none of the signature styling that the brand is famous for, and then proceeded to tank.
That’s a nice looking Peugeot.
Was thinking Honda but I agree that it fails to fit the design lineage of Ferrari.
10/10 would have beckoned Barbie to go celebrating
Also, the tow truck for this thing is Lucifer.
And why is the interior from an e500?
Pretty cool that they have motors on each wheel. It’s most likely the way of the future.
Hideous on the outside but that interior is slick ngl.
The sports car manufacturer’s cycle of business:
- Lose revenue due to EV competition.
- Design EV that looks like a cotton candy/kid’s toys version of your other cars.
- EV sells poorly.
- Scrap EV plans and return to non-EV lineup.
- Go back to 1.
I’m genuinely curious about the reliability. I’ve been lucky enough to own a lot of cars in my life. I will tell you every somewhat modern/modern exotic car I’ve owned has been an absolute piece of over priced shit beyond "it looks and sounds cool’'. I kid you not probably every other time I drove my Lamborghini Aventador with 5k miles some stupid shit would break, radiator hoses, electrical problems, misfires and they all cost stupid amounts of money to fix. While my 2002 Camry has 185k miles with only regular maintenance and I’d feel comfortable driving it across the US.
I get they’re meant to be looked at ect, but if you can’t design a radiator hose that lasts over 2 years and 5k miles you’ve got a serious engineering problem. Hell, I had a 68’ mustang that still has the the OEM from the factory before I replaced it and it technically still was fine. Absolutely ridiculous, these things are like a bunch of expensive parts just bolted together like a 2nd grader did it.
Sorry for the rant. These cars are one of the few things that ligit get me pissed as an automotive lover.
Is it possible to make an EV that doesn’t look like a dorks version of a futuristic car? Just make it look normal and people will buy it.
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There are some fundemental problem with making an EV look like a “normal car” though.
EVs are more dense than their ICE counterparts. This means that the whole vehicle needs more structure to protect it in a rollover than an ICE of the same size. Thicker frames and pillars in a smaller car end up making it look bulgy and weird.
I think (but not 100% sure) that EVs are required to have extra protection for the battery to prevent them from getting punctured and having a “thermal runaway” event. This makes the cars even more pudgy.
The energy source and propulsion methods have changed, which will affect their design of the cars. Much in the same way early jet airplanes looked like regular airplanes with jets attached, EVs started as regular cars with electric motors. We’re currently in the weird transition phase of EV design. We’re seeing the EV equivalent of the P80 Shooting star, and maybe starting to get into some cars that are akin to the F86 Sabre. We have a long way to go until the design catches up to the propulsion.
I worked at a lithium ion battery company for 11 years. If anything, the switch to EVs gives you even more options for body shape/type. The batteries are located at the bottom of the frame, and the motors are hub motors located at the wheels. It gives the vehicle a lower center of gravity, and gives the body designers artistic freedom to make it look however they like. I don’t accept the argument that it has to look dorky. The original Tesla Roadster was just a modified Lotus Elise, and it looked basically bone stock. There is no need for the front to be loaded up with a huge motor, there is a reason a lot of EVs have a “frunk”…there is just a bunch of extra room. No need for an oil reservoir, or a transmission, or hydraulic brake lines and reservoir, or any other fluids.
Teslas look pretty normal
Just in case someone here isn’t familiar, it’s not that ICE. It’s “Internal Combustion Engine” aka most cars when people think of cars
Thanks for the context.
I feel the I8 doesn’t look bad at all.I am pretty certain this is a hybrid.
You are 100% correct. My bad.
This is the internet, double down and call them a slur.
That and this isn’t a practical car. I mean 99% of people who even buy this aren’t buying it as a DD. Something like a Porsche Cayenne would be more something that’s more reasonable if you want peoole to buy it and DD.
You mean like regular EV’s? Because there is a whole bunch of them that look perfectly normal.
As for sports EV’s: I am quite liking the Audi GT.
Yeah, I’ve been wanting one of those since they were announced. Such a good looking car.
If I could have any EV, it would probably be the Audi.
Ferrari execs, probably: “No, we have to make clear that we’re modern™ and there’s more to our cars than toxic masculinity!!!”
… which might even be a good selling point for a lot of people, except for the kind of people who buy a Ferrari.
Is it possible to make an EV that doesn’t look like a dorks version of a futuristic car?
Yeah. Tesla looks pretty decent… Except its designed to trap you inside, and prevent outside help as you burn alive.
The normal person priced sedan thing has the same awkward “Look I’n Electric” proportions as that Ferrari. It’s only the stupid priced Tesla’s that looks less stupid.
See also: cyber truck.
Yeah it’s ugly as fuck. But other models look quite good.
The big fat ass elevate screen in the middle of the dashboard looks like cheap shit.
The outside looks like a late 1990s European high end car.
It’s high tech made to look cheap using plastic and putting what’s basically a computer monitor as centerpiece rather smoothly intergrating it with the rest, all wrapped in a frame which is an outdated idea of a luxury car.
(IMHO, or course)
I meant outside. Inside 90s style knobs and buttons always ruled and noone is ever going to make me think otherwise
The outside looks like a late 1990s European high end car.
I like European high end cars
Even the door handles in the Tesla are a 1990s idea of what high tech looks like.
It’s like those cars were designed by an aged geek with no sophistication in taste rather than by a designer.
(And I am myself an aged geek, but, shit, I like to think I actually got a little bit more subtle and demanding with age in my appreciation of the beauty in things).
Even the door handles in the Tesla are a 1990s idea of what high tech looks like.
In the 90s it was perfectly possible to build these handles but noone was dumb enough to actually implement it outside of concept cars.
It’s like those cars were designed by an aged geek with no sophistication in taste rather than by a designer.
Actually most tesla models were designed by an actual designer named Franz von Holzhausen. Musk didn’t sit at the drawing board with a pancil.
My best guess would be that Musk demanded all the stupid concept car shit from the team resulting in stupid LCD screen and those cursed door handles.
Like, they just couldn’t be bothered to make it good looking?
I don’t think it looks bad.
They didn’t even make it red so we’d know it was a Ferrari lmao
Porsche just keeps not fucking up royally and winning by default
The stupidest thing is how Ferrari has historically gone to great lengths to make their cars sleek and pointy despite the need to accommodate big-ass radiators and engine intakes, yet just when using an electric drivetrain makes ‘sleek and pointy’ easy for them, they come out with this boxy shit instead!
And even worse, it’s a sedan (which Ferrari has never made before). WTF.
Clearly, what happened here is that the bean-counters insisted that Ferrari needed to diversify into new market segments (both more practical cars and EVs) but somebody at the top hated the idea, so they did it in the most sabotaged, begrudging way possible. They didn’t have the courage to make a proper two-seat electric sports car.
Ferrari has in fact made several sedans.
First sentence of the article:
The new model departs from the look of typical Ferraris as the Italian brand’s first ever five-seater,
I guess maybe I shouldn’t have read that and assumed. I knew they had 2+2 two-door coupes, but didn’t know they’d made any four-seaters with four doors.
And a station wagon / estate.
It is weird how they made it look kinda lumpy. Like it looks better than some EVs but I’m a bit surprised this is coming from Ferrari.
Are EV engine sizes that crazy that you need a larger housing for them?
I think it looks like a six year old tried to draw one of the flatter Porsches from memory.
Disagree, I love the way it looks!
Edit: I mean, whoo!.. is that a hole instead of a front grill, that goes under the hood and over the windshield? Now that’s radical, man!
I’ve seen this on an electric Dodge Challenger (which is also quite ugly in my opinion). This hole and the wing above it act as a spoiler and fast cars need all the downforce they can get, so I guess this will become a norm for fast electric cars in the future.
I like it too… There are dozens of us! Dozens!
Well Sir Jony Ive did play a part in that design so yeah its shit.
One account on X said: “Ferrari just killed their brand just like Jaguar did. This is straight to the junkyard trash.”
“What is going on with European Luxury car manufacturers? First Jaguar and now Ferrari”, another account posted.
But not all commentators were felt negatively about the new car, with one post saying: “Absolute masterclass in design. Ferrari just unveiled the breathtaking LUCE concept, and it is a total game changer.”
Honestly, BBC, if you’re going to aggregate statistics about tweets on Twitter, use it as some kind of crude poll, maybe you could get something useful that way.
But reporting on anecdotes about anonymous tweets for opinion seems of almost zero value from a news standpoint. If a tweet mentioned a fact that you could validate, say, that might have some value.
But what you’re doing here is on-par with saying “someone on Twitter said that they liked chocolate ice cream, and someone else said that they didn’t like chocolate ice cream”. That just doesn’t really seem newsworthy. I would say that it’d be surprising if you couldn’t find posts of both sorts for virtually any topic.
Twitter is also a Nazi bar full of people that take anything slightly less harmful for humanity as a personal attack.
Its not hard to see what they’re doing…
First they add negative comments, then follow up with a positive post to seem like they’re being Impartial!
It’d be interesting to see how often the negative comments are put before the positive comments though because i’d guess it’s a lot higher than the reverse!
When writing an argument (and your biased) you start with the opinion you don’t want to support and end with the opinion you do want to support, because people usually remember the last part of an argument better than the first part. That is at least when assuming people ACTUALLY read (and the classical rhetoric theory)… but so many people have fucked attention spans, so I’m not sure if this is still accurate.
Could also be a truth sandwich. Or a lie sandwich, what do I know
You know that some weirdo would say the opposite if it was positive comments first. It’s a lose-lose situation for the writer.
User drolex started to read tal’s comment on lemmy and responded with
lmao tl;dr
which shows that the range of cerebral capacities of users on the platform is extremely diverse
Nobody commenting on
The Luce runs with a Ferrari-made electric motor on each wheel
I do not see any scenario where this could go wrong. Oh wait…
What’s the issue? As I understand it, that’s basically how all EVs work. Other than specifically being made by Ferrari.
If it’s the Ferrari thing, give them a chance. I haven’t heard about them royally screwing up tightly coiled cables yet, but I’m sure they could find a way.
Hub motors are pretty rare in the EV (car) space actually.
Lordstown Endurance had a hub motors on each wheel. Almost all of those were bought back and scrapped. Aptera had hub motors in the initial design specs, but last I heard, that fell through and they are doing inboard motors with a continuous 2 speed transmission and driveshafts.
Teslas has various multi-motor layouts, but none of them are hubs as far as I can remember.
Mach E has 1 motor standard, 2 and motors on the GT.
No, I might be behind the times on this but usually you power axles, do you not (really naively asking)?
I would imagines any disruptions only affecting one wheel instead of axle being rather catastrophic. The brakes are also always set up in a way that you don’t brake on one wheel only even if it’s damaged.
So uncoupling all 4 wheels seems like a really really bad idea. Of course you can compensate this electronically, but that will work about sd well as the Boeing 737 max with its issues. There are physical things you should not mess with.
But maybe as I said I am behind the times and with electric cars that’s normal now to power wheels (l/r) separately?
You are behind the times. This is a pretty well-studied and implemented thing. It is expensive, though, which is why you don’t see if more often. If a motor stops working, you can still drive the car with the other three motors. That’s SUPER simple with modern computing and software.
Now, the part where the motors are Ferrari-made… let’s see how that turns out.
It’s not uncommon. Rivian, Rimac, and various Chinese cars all have IWD (Individual Wheel Drive.) For a rather longer time, trams have been running with stub-axles and individual motors for decades.
When a car turns, one side’s wheels have to rotate faster than the other side as it needs to travel further.
Thus, it’s advantageous to be able to power wheels independently.
All the super-fast EVs from the Model S Plaid and Lucid Air Sapphire to the Rimac Nevera have used separate L/R motors in the rear for some time now, and some have been separate motors for all four wheels. I think that includes some Rivians, and definitely the Nevera.
Keep in mind that having an electric motor per wheel would be nothing like having a gasoline engine per wheel. Not only can an electric motor change its thrust thousands of times per second for good traction control, it can also apply regenerative braking or even just let the motor spin freely.
I assume the cars are at least monitoring the current to each motor constantly, so it’s just a programming decision when the LR motor fails whether to go into limp mode vs still sending 500hp to the right rear wheel to see what happens.
Is it just me or is this paragraph confusing as fuck with regards to the time form?
Ferrari plans to roll out the electric vehicle (EV) after previously ruling out such a move, opting instead to make hybrid cars that are powered by both petrol and electricity.
My ESL ass would have written it more like this
Ferrari plans to roll out the electric vehicle (EV) after having previously ruled out such a move. At the time they opted instead to make hybrid cars that are powered by both petrol and electricity.
Not sure my version is grammatical, but at least you know what’s now and what was then.
As an “EFL” speaker, yours is clearer, more grammatical. If I’d written this, I’d probably have changed the “opting instead” to “when they opted”, but yours uses two shorter sentences, which is better style in English.
Having seen native French speakers producing “one sentence covers an entire page” text when studying ESL, I’ve tried to keep my bad habits under control myself. Can be a bit too easy to produce a runaway sentence sometimes, when you’ve a lot of thoughts to get on the page.
Yours is clearer, but the example is journalistic style, the same way sometimes headlines come across unclear or confusing.
The new model departs from the look of typical
This is why most new EVs fail - they look like EVs rather than just a car.
BYD EVs look just like normal cars.
I like the look of byd, but why do they keep retracting the fucking door handles?
This is apple removing the aux jack all over again… Nobody wants this.
Most European EV’s look like real cars too.
Some are even the same car available as ICE or EV
…which usually makes them worse because they need to design them for both cases.
Yeah well if anyone’s throwing away one of these worse EVs, just tell me and I’ll get it off their hands
…if it has enough range to get you home.
400 km or so is typical for shared platform BEVs, even more for newer models
The main issue with the older ones is slower charging but that’s not because of the platform, it’s because of when they were designed.
the new citroen i was eyeing gets like 260, and that’s probably ideal conditions.
there’s a long weekend coming up
not for me :(
I don’t think this fully applies to Ferrari in the way it might apply to mass market cars.
Part of that is the shape of a car is dictated partly by the power train, and an EV has a lot more flexibility in that regard.
But partly it’s because they want to look different, which usually means worse. And you’re right about BYD, they do look sharp.
I would assume that is to maintain the strong horse carriage loud brrrm engine appeal to previous customers.
Yep, that’s ugly. I wonder if it’s because electric cars don’t need as many functional components, like eg. air intakes? Don’t need so much detail work to harmonise the stuff on the outside, therefore, it ends up looking like a child’s toy?
Proportions are still kind of graceless and unweildy, and that colour is nasty. I’d probably have gone the same yellow as the brake shoe, or just classic Ferrari red…
Carmakers including Ford and Volkswagen have doubled down on petrol cars, especially in the US, due to…regulatory changes under President Donald Trump, who has cut incentives for EV buyers.
I’m pretty confident that if you’re buying a $640,000 car, you place little relative value on a $7,500 tax credit. It being present or not is under a 1.2% price difference. That particular factor probably isn’t very relevant as regards cars like these.
