Yeah, fuck that smug bastard off living his best life travelling round the world taking photos after extracting a ton of money from Rupert Murdoch.

Your list is compromised primarily of P2P networks and a DHT?

Older methods still best methods.

I felt like we were brothers for the entire first sentence, then you had to ruin it.

I’m aware, sometimes they also provide funding for FOSS projects. Funding seems to be the option FFmpeg would prefer based on the title (though I’ve not explicitly seen a quote that says this).

If it’s a specialty codebase written entirely in assembly, as this seems to be, sometimes it just makes sense to pay someone else to do it rather than spending 3x as long getting someone in house to do because the expertise isn’t there. Or just put a bounty on it, another common way to provide funding in FOSS.

If Google said, look we know we send a lot of bug reports, here’s 50MM a year, go hire a team of dedicated developers to deal with our nonsense, we don’t have the expertise in house to train them on this codebase. I doubt anyone would be complaining.

Nothing wrong with fixing bugs even if they are obscure if you have the time and resources.

In what way am I giving anyone an out? Are we both talking about the Indian Creek/Surfside thing? If we are the whole shit storm is over the fact the billionaires don’t want to pay have a link..

I like shitting on billionaires as much as the next person, but presumably they didn’t design any of this themselves. Most likely story is they just don’t want to pay their fair share as usual.

Logitech used actually be good at this. Look at their squeezebox software and Logitech media server, they were open sourced, released to the public and are still under active development and in widespread use.

Did I say something that suggested I wouldn’t?

Being incorrect on a regular basis conditions one to seek validation in any form they can get once they realize that they have no other options.

Ah! So that’s why you are the way you are, makes sense. Thanks for the explanation, I’m kinda surprised you’re so introspective.

Cmon back soon, never give up, this is all you have.

Sure thing, though the fantasy of me you’ve constructed in your head is a little weird.

The position you’re a hypocrite? Nah, you confirmed that yourself a few times.

I presume you’re a frequent flier in this regard.

Again just kinda saying stuff with no real evidence and assuming it’s true.

Fyi, I know that you DESPERATELY want the last word. You will not get it.

At this point I’m mostly just curious how long I can keep you replying 😂

Valid in what sense? What argument? You’ve not backed it up, when presented with evidence to the contrary you move the goal posts.

You just dont like what I’m saying.

I don’t like hypocrisy, no.

You dont have to like it.

I’m sorry, did you think I thought I did?

You’re just going to have to be OK with being intellectually inferior (and incorrect as a result).

I may well be intellectually inferior, but based on current evidence I don’t have much to worry about. Your argument has now become “I’m right because I think I’m smarter?”

You will get over this in time.

Get over what?

You’re not a hypocrite because you’re wrong, you’re a hypocrite because you complain about others “wasting time” while you waste time, it should also be noted in a less constructive way. The fact you’re objectively wrong about them wasting time is irrelevant.

Nothing useful was produced, nothing useful was learned in the process. Even if there was some peripheral learning that took place, it was accidental at best.

What are you basing this on? It’s just your own assumption. You’ve gone from “nothing learned” to “the learning doesn’t meet some arbitrary standard I’ve set and apply at random”

Quantity does not equal quality

No one said quality and quantity were equal. That’s just shifting the goal posts and poorly at that, you’ve no idea the skills acquired or the knock on effect. Certainly it’s taught me about bonding interfaces and I’m sure I’m not the only one. It’s certainly something I’ll look into further and it’s certainly going to have a practical real world effect. On that basis alone you’re just wrong.

Making a pile of old forgotten modems download a file at .6 MBPS is not an achievement to be celebrated. It is a waste of time

Like your turbo, there’s plenty to be learned along the way and plenty to be achieved getting to that point, I’ve listed a few above. Wrapping this in a project the person enjoys is a cherry on top.

and people that want to attempt to justify a total stranger wasting time on pointless activities are doing little more than showing that they too waste a lot of time on pointless activities.

From the start my comments have been more about pointing out your hypocrisy, somewhere along the line I’ve been sucked into pointing out it’s not even pointless. People who shit on people pursuing their own goals certainly are wasting their time, I may or may not be - the key difference is I’m not spouting some nonsense about how everything needs to be done to learn or create something new.

I’m not sure how you infer I waste a lot of time doing pointless stuff, you know little to nothing about me, more just making stuff up to satisfy your argument.

When we are on our respective deathbeds, I am going to presume neither of us will go down thinking “I regret doing useful things with my time…”.

I doubt I’ll give a second thought to fixing the toilet tbh, but I know for sure plenty of the stupid shit I’ve done will make me smile.

Ultimately you don’t see the point in the project and that’s fine, for some reason you need to be a complete hypocrite about it and die on some imaginary hill.

Preachy? No preaching here, just a list of examples of potential benefits. Where’s the circular logic?

Lol, I don’t care if you’re wasting time, I’m pointing to the hypocrisy of it.

There’s a wall of text that’d argue you’re not right.

Rebuilding a turbo is useful not as a single activity, but because there are a number of transferable skills involved. Way to think deep on that one

Well no, I said meaningful, way to not read I guess.

Where messing with ancient junk fails is because it is obsolete. The person who did it, had to know how to do it already. They don’t learn anything new by applying old knowledge to do something useless. The activity lacks the acquisition of transferrable skills and there is nothing useful created at the completion.

You’ve decided they learned no transferable skills because they must’ve known how to do it already - what’s your basis for that? Or you’ve just decided this is the case because it suits your argument?

Even if they didn’t learn something new, refining an existing skill is not also useful? How do you divine what will be useful in the future?

Let’s set aside the project directly, can you also assert they learned nothing about anything as part of this, certainly looks like they did research. Then made a video, no skills acquired or honed there either? You must be stalking these guys.

Let’s set aside any personal skill acquisition - you can assert they didn’t inspire someone else? Give someone else an idea that has direct practical application? Tickle someone the right way to go mess with something they’ve been putting off for a while? Jeez, you’re pretty confident in your assertions.

Set even that aside, if they’re making money out of this that in some way funds someone else, a child or loved one, in an endeavour that contributes to society then that has benefit too.

Setting that aside too, this might just be the thing that makes their life livable enough to let them contribute in some other way.

You’ve drawn an arbitrary line at what you think is acceptable and hold everyone to your standard - that’s phenomenally conceited.

Not sure if you’ve noticed, but I’m going to die on this hill. You’re more than welcome to be up here with me, but you may tire of the activity. I have IBS so I’m on the toilet a good bit, I have the time to keep going unfortunately.

We’re right back at the start, you’re wasting your “precious” time whinging about someone else’s project or passtime in a substantially less than productive way. So much so you’re willing to dedicate unlimited time to it. Why is it you’re allowed to waste your toilet time? Could you not spend that time learning too, no doubt it’d make everyone else’s life better. A hypocrite as well as everything else.

Goodness knows, setting aside the fact it’s perfectly fine to do something for the sake of doing something because you enjoy it, they probably learned a few things doing it too. I can think of dozens of projects that on the surface seem pointless but have taught me tons.

You think rebuilding a turbo is meaningful? How many turbos is your son likely to rebuild in his lifetime? Presumably you’ve never read a work of fiction or spent any time watching TV or a movie, eaten a non utilitarian meal, had a haircut etc. Your take is bizarre. Setting aside the fact that humans need downtime (or apparently do apart from you) did you consider they may have learned something applicable doing this?

I been rocking minidlna -> Kodi for 10+ years 😂

And yet you’re here, spending precious time whinging about it.

They’re actually employing the oft overlooked security by incarceration in El Salvador design pattern.