After getting an EV myself, the vroom is completely irrelevant IMO, I actually find the silent acceleration way cooler. 😎
The problem with the new Electric Ferrari is way more that the design is an uninteresting stereotype of an average small sportscar.Agreed, there are some really cool ev hypercars out there and Ferrari could have done that and gotten positive responses, but instead they made the most boring looking car ever.
They should’ve just slapped a Fiat badge and a 60k price tag on it and it would have been interesting again.
Ok, but the Fiat 500e is STYLIN’!!! I’d buy that!
I love taking off in my EV and doing a tight turn without walking up the whole neighborhood. But people who buy expensive sport cars mostly want to be seen and heard, they’re not doing this for the driving comfort. I found my drive in a Ferrari lacking in comfort.
In the other end of the scale we have the “Bat Mobil”
https://www.goodwood.com/grr/road/news/the-ariel-hipercar-is-a-1000ps-nutjob-with-a-turbine/
It’s ugly, but at least it’s not boring. 🤣 🤣 🤣
Or the Yangwang U9 Extreme, maybe the fastest car in the world, looks amazing, and is an ev.
Yes that looks like an actual race car.
It doesn’t, by any means, but it does look like a form over function rich persons car, which is what it was aiming for and would have been unthinkable for a Chinese car a decade ago.
It definitely looks a lot like a le mans race car.
I’m not sure why people need 1000hp cars that go from 0-100km/h in 2 seconds. But maybe i’m just old.
People wanted that when you were young too
Nobody needs that, they want that, and they want that because it’s fun for them and makes them feel good. I’m not judging.
If we only ever operated efficiently then there would be no art. Fun is allowed.
They have used none of Ferrari’s “design language” for this car, it doesn’t look like a Ferrari.
This was actually designed by Johnny Ives’ design studio. I don’t think they got the message that Ferrari was the customer.
I absolutely agree, it could maybe be argued that the new design is elegant, but my immediate impression was just uninteresting.
I would have believed this car was a Kia without a second thought if I saw it on the road with that badge. That’s not a compliment for either company, unfortunately.
Looks a lot like the recent Nissan Leaf. Slightly less bulky front and the leak has a solid black area at the front for the lights, but other than that almost the same look to the car.
The $30k leaf sticker price seems fair for this.
I enjoy it when I sit in the car, but only to a degree. And I hate it when others keep driving by my window, blasting me with their micro penis sound. Or when they scare my dogs. So if you 100% absolutely need it to be happy, let’s make a compromise and play an artificial sound inside of your own car. Oh, and please do the same with every fucking loud motorcycle.
And to Ferrari, if you want an outrageously cool car with electric motors, this is how you do it.
That car is BADASS!!! Damn noisy too! I wouldn’t miss engine noises when it sounds like that!
It’s a 50k design at best. Not worthy of the 650k price tag
Exactly, it looks somewhat like some of those cheap Japanese sports cars from the late 80’s. Except those were OK for the price and time.
I drive a chevrolet bolt and I can definitely hear the motor when I’m accelerating fast. Honestly I think a loud electric motor sounds way cooler than a gas engine, especially when you think about the fact that the noise is coming out of something the size of a coffee can thats having 150 thousand watts dumped into it.
IDK how many HP yours have, ours is pretty modest by EV standards with only 204 HP, and I can’t really say for sure that I can hear the engine.
But we did buy a car that has very good sound proofing, but we can still hear the tires clearly. Still the quiet of the car makes it feel like a luxury car IMO. 👍 😎On mine if I turn off the A/C and blower I can definitely hear it if I floor it.
Difficult to use the same design language with massive batteries. I actually think it looks okay. For me the issue is the 700k price tag.
Those batteries are a massive advantage for the design, they are put at the bottom like all other electric cars, and help keep the weigh center very low.
Engines and cooling also allow for much greater flexibility in design. But for some reason they decided to not use that greater design freedom to make an actual cool design, but more like if Tesla model 3 had a sports version with some body tuning.The 700k price tag is not a problem for me, 500k or 700k doesn’t make any difference to me, I can’t afford either.
My price range is more like 60k, and then I buy it used for half of that. 🤣 🤣 🤣
Still I like new groundbreaking designs, which we have seen sometimes from Ferrari, but this is not one of them IMO.
This looks more like a way cheaper car, that could actually be in my price range.Maybe it looks better in real life, but my experience is the opposite.
You’re misunderstanding the term. Design language is subtle aesthetic cues, usually not functional, that remind you of other things they’ve made in the past. To suggest that the batteries dictate stuff like the shape of headlights doesn’t make sense.
Fair. I meant proportions/silhouette, not details like lights. I just mistakenly thought those were also part of design.
You’re right, shape is also part of design language too, but I don’t think being an EV prevented this from looking like a Ferrari. Body styling cues could make the connection, like the way a Cayenne is a SUV but still looks like what you think of as a Porche. It just seems like Ferrari didn’t want to here, for one reason or another.
You’re not wrong but the cayenne design makes me want to put the poor thing out of its misery, even if it is (or maybe precisely because it is) obviously a Porsche. I’m not sure I could ever really accept a Porsche styled SUV, but Ferrari didn’t have that problem here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOcp3-Ik3G4
The thing is, others did manage to, and those are new companies without the massive budget Ferrari has. But with all those possibilities they chose to create a fast blue dumpster.
Okay, the car I posted isn’t exactly the same price tag, but it outperforms the Ferrari on more than just design.
Batteries that take up less space than a massive engine and gearbox?
batteries and inverters definitely take up more volume than an ice drivetrain. the advantage is that they can be put in more places than the mechanical linkages.
I’m pretty sure an ICE takes up more space, there’s a lot more components to it. There’s some very slim EV super cars. And yeah, way more flexibility with an EV system.
i’ve got a phev and lemme tell ya, those batteries are like three times the size (and weight) of the rest of the drivetrain combined, including fuel tank.
the bmw i3 rex is a pretty extreme example because it has a motorcycle engine, but they managed to cram the engine, inverter, gearbox and fuel tank into the space under the floor of the trunk, between the rear wheels, while the battery pack consists basically the bottom decimeter of the entire car. and that 9 liter tank doubles its range.
meanwhile the original chevy volt, a fwd car with an 1.6l i4, opted to keep the transmission tunnel and space where a rear axle would go to stuff them with batteries. really compromises the internal space, sacrifices a middle rear seat, and gives a whopping… 45km of electric range.
My point is simply that electric vs combustion power distribution and volume / mass differences make it, I assume, difficult to maintain the same design language.
Not at all, there’s loads of fully electric super cars that look just how you would expect, sleeker even. This was a deliberate design decision from Ferrari.
I seem to be unclear I guess. But to me there is a difference between, “can’t use the same design language” and “can’t look sleek”.
After getting an EV myself, the vroom is completely irrelevant IMO, I actually find the silent acceleration way cooler. 😎
How many Ferrari’s/Lamborghini/Supercars/Hypercars have you owned before?
I also prefer the faster take off at the lights but lets not pretend we’re the target market for Ferrari’s.
I think the principle is exactly the same, actually I think it’s even more cool in a super car. Because your acceleration is insane, but there is still almost no noise.
One of my neighbors have a pretty fast EV like zero to a hundred in less than 5 seconds. When he gives that car full pedal, it is absolutely awesome.
IMO a roaring ICE car is so outdated. For a more normal ICE car, it’s outright embarrassing, all that noise for nothing!I know rich people tend to be narcissistic, so they may like the attention the noise makes, but generally they don’t like to be involuntary laughing stocks when they play with their expansive toys.
PS: Our car is pretty average for an EV, but still better than most ICE cars.
I love how we are on Lemmy, the poorest, rich people hating, communism wanting, most autistic place on the internet talking about what rich people want
For a more normal ICE car, it’s outright embarrassing, all that noise for nothing!
Yes that’s right, however they’re not driving a normal ICE, they’re driving a ferrari or lamborghini, the ones with millions of views for people just to hear the sound:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lamborghini+engine+sound
4 Minutes of V12 Aventador SV Raw Audio [4K]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKkvlYi6JC0
2 million views 🤣
I know rich people tend to be narcissistic, so they may like the attention the noise makes
Yes
but generally they don’t like to be involuntary laughing stocks
Nobody is laughing at a V12 Aventador or Ferrari F40, this is lemmy autism
Nobody is laughing at a V12 Aventador or Ferrari F40, this is lemmy autism
Maybe not yet, but in a few years those old ICE cars will seem very outdated, and an EV at a tenth the price will beat it on performance.
They will only have value as pretty veterans.When Mohammed Ben Sulayem, the president of motorsport’s governing body the FIA, told media last weekend that Formula 1 was returning to V8 engines, everyone took notice.
If what you were saying was directed at us, Lemmy users and average joes who have cars like the Toyota WhoCares, Mazda Generic, Hyundai Whatever then yeah I can completely understand that, EV’s are better than ICE in practically every way
But Supercar world is different
You could put a speaker in it that does vroom. Some companies do that.
This is really a rich people’s problem though. #care
So Ferrari has felt compelled to add some sound back in. The company claims that sound is authentic because it is picked up by sensors beside the axles and amplified like an electric guitar.
That is so fucking lame.
EVs have a problem, and that problem is they’re just not entertaining. I remember watching the Goodwood festival hill climb, and the least entertaining vehicle to watch go up the hill was the Mustang Mach E, despite being one of the fastest on the day. The most entertaining were vehicles made in the thirties with tyres the size of a modern mountain bike, and the gear shift on the outside of the car.
I genuinely think Ferrari deliberately designed a boring looking EV so they can say “See, our customers don’t want EV’s, let’s never do one again.”
They wont have much choice when combustion engines are banned.
This wasn’t designed to appeal to their current customers. Apparently some people like bland EVs and Ferrari want some of that money.
I love how conspiracy theorists always view companies as “perfect” so that even their failures are reclassified as having been done on purpose.
I’m okay with the silent power, I am not okay with it looking like a minivan.
People who have loud cars and care about their cars being loud are some of the saddest people in existence. The only purpose is to shout at others about what an inconsiderate asshole they are. And to make them feel better about being such a sad small peened individual.
Be it old shitty cars with after market pipes, giant trucks designed to be as obnoxious as possible or “sports” cars only driven by dickheads who can’t drive for shit. I fucking hate them all.
Really cool that they have put sci-fi like motors on each wheel. It will be interesting to see where this goes as it allows for a lot of new traction and cornering techniques. Pity about the design looking a bit like a Jensen Interceptor.
You take that back - this bland monstrosity posing as a Ferrari doesn’t have a tenth of the personality of a Jensen Interceptor.
Without the vroom you have 50% less of micropenis compensation. Outrageous!
True, EV’s are about things like value for money, quietness, reliability, lack of maintenance, all things expensive flashy cars detest and have no need for
It’s like making an economical artwork or cheap watch for a super rich person, what’s the point?
The Lotus Evija says you are completely full of shit.
I mean it has 8 cars sold, thanks for confirming what I said?
All the really awesome supercars are limited runs that aren’t even built until they are ordered. It’s almost about having a thing no one has. I showed you an electric one that flatly scoffed at your assertions and somehow you confabulated it into confirmation bias. You’ve lost the plot.
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/lotus/evija
There’s real magic here, no question. And yet, the world, we know, is refusing to fall in love with the vastly horsepowered, hyper-EV.
Thanks again for confirming what I said
lack of maintenance? I don’t see why it would be the case or why it would need less maintenance than a gas(thermal?) cars
No oil changes at the very least. There are also around a zillion moving parts in a gas engine, most of which can wear.
Yes, EVs come with a lot less maintenance and running costs. You’ll have to excuse the Facebook-quality image, but this does neatly sum up the main differences:
oh… I didn’t really put much thoughts on this… that just makes sense, thanks
For the routine stuff: no engine oil to replace, no engine air filter, regenerative braking means you barely use the real brakes. Electric engines are also much simpler so there’s just less to go wrong and need fixing.
Oil changes, spark plugs, coolant, transmission fluid, and belts are all things I’ve had to maintain for my partner’s car in the past few years that my EV doesn’t need.
You are not sure why EV’s need less maintenance? I don’t quite understand what you’re asking sorry
Yeah, I didn’t really thought about it before now and I got my answers from other comments 😅
Of course. If you can’t be loud and obnoxious, you can’t compensate for the fact you have a tiny penis.
Which I wish they’d quit because they’re giving the rest of us with tiny penises a bad name.
Haters gonna hate. Imo, the Hyundai Testarossa looks absolutely gorgeous 🚙
Carriages aren’t the same ever since they went without any horse dung.
I totally get it. Ferrari is a statement, not just a vehicle. This is silly.
For passionate enthusiasts, Ferraris are not merely cars but works of art…the sound of the engine revving evokes a sensation comparable to listening to the music of Giuseppe Verdi or Giacomo Puccini.
“I agree with him – the horse needs to be removed,” said Barone, adding that his main gripe was its lack of sound. “How can you have a Ferrari without any vroom?”
I suppose that someone could make a device that polls OBD-II for the current RPM and feeds more synthetic ICE engine sound into the sound system.
EDIT: Hell, if you’re freed from the constraints of an actual ICE engine, there’s probably some sort of sound that’s more psychologically-optimized to make the guy happy than whatever an actual engine puts out.
BMW did that and everyone hated it.
People don’t want synthetic sounds, they want the real thing.
I believe they’ve actually added noise components to the driving axle so it’s a mechanically produced sound even, which is pretty cool imo.
That’s a factory feature nowadays
Yeah, they mention it in the article, but I figure that whatever this guy wants, it’s more than whatever they’re generating.
