• SaintNectar@lemmy.zip
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    The only good thing about JD is the fat meme of him. Everything else is absolute hot garbage.

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      He’s the ablative armour of the Trump administration. The whole point of him is to eat spectacular shit while Trump goes about his wicked business

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    “In diplomacy, the side with leverage doesn’t wait in the room,” Taha wrote. “You claim to be leading and winning, yet you arrived first. First mistake.”

    Taha also flagged a telling moment from Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghci, who Taha claimed “entered last and refused to shake hands,” a claim supported by reporting from the Iranian news outlet Tasnim News Agency.

    … That’s it? The headline seems hyperbolic.

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      Back when I was a kid, showing disrespect wasn’t calling someone a dumb nickname and mud slinging on Twitter.

      Trump made that normal, sure. But it’s trashy trailer park behavior.

      Other countries have real dignified professionals qualified to do their jobs, not shaking hands and leaving without talking to the VP of the US, was plenty.

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    I wish Trump supporters were smart enough to realize how stupid they are.

    But I guess that’s the thing about being unbelievably stupid.

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    That childish administration is getting tossed around everywhere they go. Some say their goal is not to serve their country but to distract away from a criminal ring, which would explain why they’re so out of touch.

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    I gotta say. This is the most shallow BS I have read. How about we focus on actual progress instead of focusing on the pre fight weight check BS shinnanigans.
    Pretty sure vance will lose on the negotiations too. And that is what really matters. Let’s have some substance to the well deserved bashing.

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      I generally agree with you, but there are also a bunch of older generation ‘norms’ and etiquette things at play in some of these situations / scenarios.

      So first off, there’s definitely back channel reasons for some customs/behaviours. Consider for example the recent example from Trump’s trip to China, where Xi had Trump sitting in a lower chair, with the intent of creating a specific dynamic to the meeting and photo-ops. Or how Putin made sure to introduce Merkel to his pet dogs, having discovered she had a fear of dogs. Higher-tier diplomacy often involves such shenanigans, in part as it sends a message in itself.

      One older tradition/norm, or ‘way to flex’, is exactly what the article mentions – showing up late. There’s an old saying I recall hearing my mom say (passed to her from her dad), along the lines of “If you need to meet with someone, arrive 5 mins early to be respectful of their time. If someone needs to meet with you, arrive 5 minutes late so that they understand you’re busy / getting your time is a privilege”. In more modern terms, think of it like a webinar/video meeting – if you need to attend a webinar/virtual meeting, you should be logging in to the system early to make sure there are no technical issues on your end. If it’s not something you need to attend, or if you don’t care about it that much and are just pressured to go to check a box on a list for your boss, you might not bother pre-checking connections: you don’t care if the other party has to wait 5 mins for you to sort it out, you don’t care about wasting their time.

      Honestly, even in the private sector, I’ve cancelled meetings with people if they’re more than 5 mins late without notice, though you’ll usually allow for at least a 15 min window depending on what’s on the agenda.

      That said, it’s clearly getting spun to try and drum up clicks. They don’t mention how long people were waiting, for example – big difference between Vance waiting 5 mins, and him waiting 2 hours.

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        Exactly this. It’s the “Doctor requires you to be 20 minutes early to your appointment, then makes you wait in the checkup room for 45 minutes” scenario. You’re there to see the doctor, not the other way around. The doctor’s time is more valuable than yours is, and you’re the one who needs to see them. So they have no issues with making you wait if they’re busy. You aren’t the priority in this scenario.

        Is it petty mind-game BS? Yes, absolutely. But it’s also very telling about where each country stands on the diplomatic field.

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      This is part of the results. The “honor” of a state is a soft power resource, that is relevant to a lot of other states and will influence their behavior towards it.

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        I call BS. I don’t think anyone is saying… we better give the, what they want. They show up late.
        They look at the agreements that come out of the negotiations.

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    MAGAs are such pathetic losers, and literally EVERYBODY in the entire world can see it. And worse, even MAGA knows it, and they try to cover it with bullying, threats, and intimidation, which have long stopped working on anyone but their own loser following.

    Their legacy as corrupt, treasonous, racist, misogynist pedophiles is fully forged, and there will be no redemption, reevaluation, or forgiveness.

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      And worse, even maga knows it, and they try to cover it with bullying, threats, and intimidation, which have long stopped working on anyone but their own loser following.

      That’s why do many of them have to wear ** Alpha* shirts. If you have to tell people you’re an alpha, you absolutely are not.

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      They had their chance to overthrow the republic in Q1 and they threw it because the moderate Republicans got scared and some of those checks and balances kicked in (as per recent NYT reporting). Now they’re just fumbling. Should have dealt the death blow to American democracy when they had the chance.

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    The Trump administration has absolutely no clue about diplomacy.
    They keep shouting ALL IN with 2 and 7 in hand, at a chess tournament.

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    We all know he’s gonna go home and exert power to make himself feel big again…and then he’ll have to go shopping for new furniture afterwards

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    I’m just imagining the Iranian negotiators bombarding Bowman with an incessant barrage of hockey-player trash talk, until he curls up in a ball and cries. “I’ve seen your mother’s pussy. It’s you, ya loser. Does your mouth bleed once a month?”

    Then playing Plastic Bertrand in his hotel room, especially the part with “I am the king of the divan.”

    But as @Modern_medicine_isnt says, let’s see how it plays out. My personal view is that Vance can’t even fart without asking Orangeman’s permission, adheres to a morally bankrupt, imbecilic ideology, and even if he were free to act, which he isn’t, he’s too spineless to actually decide anything.

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    IDK if any of this is what it looks like, but it’s in the context of complete diplomatic incompetence for a decade. None of these people know what they are doing on the international stage. They made their careers as US mob bosses and bullies pretending to be politicians, and don’t understand anything beyond that scope. When Trump could no longer pull world leaders off balance with stupid handshake tricks, he looked like an idiot for a while. Whenever he or his lackeys encounter someone who can’t be bribed, intimidated, or extorted they sputter like Elmer Fudd because they have no other tools.

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      Trump is used to negotiating from a position of power because he was born rich and would use lawyers to do his dirty work. He’s never had to learn how to actually negotiate so he’s trying to use threats and blunt force.

      He can’t buy the pot this time

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      I mean look at US delegation.

      • Kushner - son in law of trump, a real estate guy
      • Witkoff - a stupidest person in any room he enters
      • Vance - zero experience in any negotiations
      • then the Pakistani proxy which supposed to negotiate on our behalf, but because he is proxy it is like playing game of telephone
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        • Kushner - son in law of trump, a real estate guy
        • Witkoff - a stupidest person in any room he enters
        • Vance - zero experience in any negotiations

        Truly the best of the best.

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      Yes… A while… A very long while

      And yet he was voted in again.

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        Maybe if the dems had bothered to make a platform and run someone competent we wouldnt be in this mess. But they didnt.

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          That is the first time I here about the Dems for about the length of the current war. Where the fuck are they? What are their policies? What is their strategy? They need to activate themselves and pull America out of this Trumpian disaster

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            Infighting and bitching about each other and blaming a straw man for not stepping up instead of stepping up.

            Go run for office. Go join a campaign. Go donate or volunteer. They are like you. Act.

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        I’m starting to think that he wasn’t but we just didnt collect enough evidence at the time so now we will never know

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          That’s the insidious side of them accusing the 2020 of being stolen so adamantly. You can’t turn around and do the same for 2024 without walking straight into copying the same behavior (albeit genuine rather than projection). This takes away a lot of strength from the argument, normalizes and waters down stolen election drama.

          I think there is evidence, but it’s not made a big deal of. The media conglomerates are complicit. Their investors want the same corpocracy late stage capitalism that the tech bros and grifters do. Collectively, they have taken so much wealth and control over our system that it’s hard to even market one particular crime in all the deluge.

          They didn’t even sentence him for felonies he was convicted of. It’s like they just collectively decided not to pursue any legal action against the president.

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    Who comes first, who talks last, who has the fragiler ego, who the smaller dick. And this is why we should abolish the practice of personal talks in politics. It’s not about you, dumbfucks, but the people you represent.

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      Not the VR part, but what if you could construct a scenario where all the power seeking people end up in what they think is a bunker where they are controlling everything, but actually it’s one of many prison cells where the scenario dictates you have to stay inside or lose your grip on power. You can only walk out if you decide you don’t want to rule the world. A prison without locks or guards.

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      Maybe we already have, and we’re the AI agents designed to fool them into thinking they’re still in the real world.

      Hope the real us are doing well somewhere.