Oh, and what the heck is the facility doing with steak knives? Unless “nursing home” means something different in Australia, the whole situation shouldn’t have occured. One judge said she was no threat. Then why did the facility call the police? I think a large portion of the blame here should be on the facility for allowing the situation to occur, and then calling in police who aren’t trained (I assume) in dealing with dementia patients.

So a peice of data for y’all. My Dad was 80+ and pretty frail with alzheimer’s. When he had an episode of paranoia, he was alarmingly strong, and suddenly could walk and move like he was 50 again. I’ve been told this is common and apparently is due to extreme adrenaline. But I observed that it can’t last all that long, 40 minutes was the max. I don’t think we should count out the 95 year old granny being dangerous. Now knowing that though, I would have attempted to avoid and delay. And really, I would do that no matter who it is. But I don’t know if the cop knows all that or if it was a realistic option. Most of the staff at memory care didn’t understand the concept, and this was a higher end facility.

So somewhere in there I lost what you are suggesting would increase the likelihood of multiple people attempting to peacefully intervene to stop these abductions. Also, I find physchology writing to be hard to read. Not sure what they need to do to make these things more readable though. But even though the topic interests me, I just can’t seem to read a book on the subject.

What is the phrase… “death is so final”.

I think your sentiment that facism needs to be fought is fine. But once they are coming for you particularly, your fight is over. Try to stay alive.

It’s about odds and comfort with risk. The odds of dieing are many fold higher if you pull a gun. If you are say a mom of 5 kids… getting taken and deported, but alive and free is woth a lot more than it is for a 20 something with no family.

Sadly, when it comes to thugs, there is no shortage.

Well yeah, and a legal defense fund.

Well, you don’t want it to be from a company. You want it to be opensource and decentralized so the government can’t shut it down.

While all that maybe true in the case of an activity that happens over and over… the odds that any one person is close enough to one of these events more than once is extremely small. I doubt any of that research covers this kind of situation.

Maybe we need to start a fund to reward any bystanders that attempt to intervene in a safe manner. They could do things like ask for badge numbers, take videos, ask for the warrant, and just generally get in the way. Maybe stand infront of the vehicle that the person is put in to slow down the progress.
Maybe we need a app that will notify people that something is happening so they can flood the area even more with people who will stand in front of the vehicle.

That is a sure way to end up dead.

It’s a tough call honestly. So far it doesn’t seem like they are killing the people they take. If the person was armed, and tries to use it to defend themselves, they very likely will get killed. As other have commented, these appear to be basically thugs. Likely with less training then police officers, and certainly with less oversight. So people need to choose what they want to avoid most. Death, or incarceration with a chance of getting out. I would hate to have to make that choice myself.

But her emails…

Others have speculated that she was just to honest with the boarder staff. And just told them what she was doing. Probably didn’t even know it was against the terms of her visa. But remember, Elon says empathy is our greatest weakness. Doesn’t seem to be much of that in ICE.

These weren’t “friends” houses. I personally think there should be some kind of visa for this. I just don’t like how media headlines continue to get worse. The BBC has been better than most.

The interesting thing about this is the amount of spin the bbc is putting on it. They generally do far less of that than US media outlets. But calling her a tourist in the headline is a clear misrepresentation. And really, they didn’t even need to go there. The real story was already bad enough. She could have been full on running a housekeeping business, and the chains still would be ridiculous cruelty worth reporting on. Even Canada said no way when she tried to enter as a “tourist”. But I guess she should have asked for assylum rather than come back to the US at that point.

We need a left wing version of the “take back our border” group to “take back our reputation” by driving to these detention centers and cutting some fences and shit.

Are there any actual news sources left? They all seem to be clickbait.

While this may be true for a lot of Americans, plenty are essentially trapped. Our education system basically ensures that we don’t have the language skills or cultural understanding to get a decent job in most any other country. And the work style that has been drilled into us since birth isn’t welcome in most other countries either.

Many of us have kids born before this path was clearly the way things are going. I wouldn’t choose to have kids these days in the US unless I had like family outside the country so I knew I had an escape path.

Those that can leave, have been doing so. The rest are or feel trapped. They simply have too much to lose, and little chance of a decent life if they leave.

I for example can’t fight back against my government in the most effective ways because I have kids. And they deserve a chance to make their own decisions about polotics. But if I say damage something important, they won’t likely get much of a choice since I won’t be able to support them anymore. And because of our healthcare system, no job means extremely substandard healthcare. So like my autistic son would probably never be able to manage his own life. That is the delema many of us face.