All of this is happening because Israel is blackmailing American Pedophiles into war.
These murderous pedophiles will do anything to distract from the Epstein files.
This bastard killed hundreds of defenseless people and we are doing condemnation here
He should be hanged
During the state of the union speech, Trump PROUDLY said that people are afraid to go fishing around Venezuela
Like he said in a speech: “We kick the ones that are already down.”
Drop Site News reporter Ryan Grim noted that, in addition to striking what appears to have been a defenseless boat, the US also didn’t help rescue any of the shipwrecked men who were aboard the vessel.
“The Sri Lanka Navy was left to pull the dead bodies from the water,” Grim commented. “I am hard pressed to think of any other nation throughout history that would do something so cowardly and despicable. We are genuinely in a league of our own, and American media—mostly shrugging off the bombing of a girls school and acting as if carpet bombing Tehran is a normal military tactic—is deeply complicit.”
They torpedoed an unarmed ship and watched as everyone drowned. This is the US military under a drunken white supremacist fratboy working for a senile pedophile rapist.
This is the US military under a drunken white supremacist fratboy working for a senile pedophile rapist.
The sailors are just as much to be blamed for executing the order as the commanders who sent it.
Iirc, its an unwritten law of sailors… You rescue anyone at sea, even the enemy if you can. Drowning is a horrible death.
I’m pretty sure it’s actually a written rule.
You at least do what you can to give them a fighting chance.
A radio message would have at least let them abandon ship in a (semi) orderly manner. Hell, even a solar ping would have got them into life jackets.
Normally, a sub wouldn’t risk this. They knew in advance, however, that the ship was not currently armed.
Typically submarines aren’t in a position to offer refuge to shipwrecked sailors, but to my recollection there hasn’t been submarine warfare since WWII. They sank a ship that didn’t present any threat and likely could have been neutralized with a number of alternate approaches.
The UK used submarines during the Falklands war.
The decision was made to sink an Argentinian warship. Critically, they didn’t attack the escort ship. They left it to recover the sailors. Apparently it horrified the British command when it ran, leaving sailors in the water.
A simple radio message “Move and we will sink you. Take no offensive actions and we will give you 5 minutes to launch lifeboats first.” Hell, even a sonar ping would have given them half a chance.
Yup but also, the idea of submarines providing rescue went out the window. Even the nazis were trying to rescue people at one point, and the allies attacked them after they broadcasted their rescue attempts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident
The US has the most powerful military in the world. This was just cruelty
US carrying out war crimes since World War II.
Since before that.
They carried out war crimes way before WWII.
Hey hey whoa whoa whoa, hold up there friend. You forgot Christian nationalist death cultist and pseudo-crusader-wannabe.
Who was the sub captian that obeyed the illegal order? Name rank and serial number please.
the whole thing about following illegal orders is gomplete bulnshit and impossible for military personnel to follow… it’s just a pretence so the Murican military can claim moral superiority
Honestly, I don’t expect the rank and file members to make a stand. But a sub captain… I do. And from that person all the way up the chain that gave the order. I don’t expect this DOJ to do anything. So I just want names for now. And I want them public so those people can’t go anywhere without being known as the ones who failed to stop the illegal order.
It was not an illegal order. And it’s also entirely possible the captain didn’t know the status of the ships ammunition supply, or lack there of. Not that it changes anything from a legal standpoint.
But, it being a legal target doesn’t change the fact that it was cowardly. Both are true.
They knew it was unarmed it was leaving an event that involved unarmed ships, an event the US backed out of and then had a sub attack a ship they knew to be unarmed.
Seizure would be arguably legal, sinking it is not.
I understand you feel strongly about what happened. But that is not going to change that it was a legal target in war.
There are lots of things that are legal, but still cowardly and shitty to do.
There’s no law that says you can’t rip off a giant fart outside a restaurants outdoor serving area. It would be legal. But incredibly shitty.
An unarmed boat is not a warship as per international law. They fly flags that state they are unarmed as this one was.
Quit equivocating.
It is still a military warship. Surely you don’t actually think countries can just put up an “unarmed flag” and expect their warships can safely make it across to a dry dock or for rearmament.
How do you KNOW it was unarmed? Because they had a flag up? Because they said so? Because India boarded the Iranian ship and conducted a thorough search of the entire interior? I’m genuinly curious as to how you are so confident it didn’t carry a single shell, rocket, torpedo or missile.
You cannot possibly think any nation at war would let an enemy warship sail by without consequence just because they claim they’re unarmed.
If Russia sailed a warship right outside Ukrainian waters with an “unarmed flag”. Do you think Ukraine would just let it be? Oh damn guys, they say it’s unarmed. Guess we have no choice but to let it hang around…
It’s a military target, it isn’t a warship. When deployed unarmed to naval exhibitions they are deployed as auxillary, it’s the same as training ships.
Because it was boarded and inspected to take part in a fleet week of sorts, yes.
You can when it’s beyond combat zones and flying flags signaling peaceful intention and being unarmed. There’s a proportionality issue when it comes to striking military targets and moreover there’s an obligation to rescue crew.
It wasn’t anywhere near Iran unless you are somehow under the impression sri lanka is adjacent to Iran. And Ukraine tends to abide by normal military conventions so yes if they knew it to be unarmed they would likely seize the ship and not sink it.
Iran:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#/media/File:Iran_(orthographic_projection).svg
Sri lanka:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka#/media/File:Sri_Lanka_(orthographic_projection).svg
Location of sinking : https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/3188/live/10450900-17e7-11f1-b048-c9424b2cf5fd.png.webp
I cannot help but laugh at your notion that Ukraine would let a Russian warship just sit outside of their waters simply because Russia said it was unarmed. Seizing something isn’t always possible.
You can absolutely engage enemy military targets regardless if they are within “combat zone” or not. With the sole exception if they are within another nations border. That is something that would make it more complicated. But that wasn’t the case.
Naval vessels are not required to rescue sailors. They are requires to take all possible measures to redcue sailors. Which can include rescuing sailors. If possible. There is a huge difference. Sometimes it is not possible to conduct a rescue operation. For a plethora of reasons.
One being that submarines do not want to surface unless they have support of other vessels.
Another is that submarines are generally not equipped to conduct rescue operations. Nor equipped to handle POW’s
A third would be that submarines generally do not have what you would call a lifeboat. Because first of all, where would they even keep one? And secondly, they are submerged, at times several hundreds of meters deep. They don’t need a lifeboat, they need a system to send their crew to the surface.
If they deploy all of them in the hopes that a few Iranian sailors might find them and climb aboard once they inflate at the surface. What are they themselves going to use in case of an emergancy?
So why is it a legal target. As pointed out, no state of war exists. So the boat wasn’t a legal target. But if we hand wave that away, not picking up the survivors is clearly against international law. And I can even hand wave the part about orders being legal, but I still want the names out there, I want the public to know that this captain left those men to die against every tradition of the navy and international laws/rules/guidelines. Public pressure can help ensure the next Captain stands up against such orders.
You seem to have some misconception of what constitutes a legal target and what doesn’t. It doesn’t matter if you are at war or not. Warships, are military targets. They are valid targets. You do not have to be in war to sink one. But it’s probably going to start one.
And no. It is not illegal for a submarine to remain submerged. Submarines are not expected to conduct rescue operations. They do have to do something. Notifying someone else as to where there might be survivors, is something.
You are only required to conduct a rescue operation if you think it is safe to do so. You are not required to rescue sailors if you believe it could put your ship in danger.
None of this means you can’t feel the way you do. That’s fine. You think the captain is a coward and scum for not helping them. Sure, I’m not trying to take that away. All I’m saying is, the order was not illegal. The act was not illegal, and the aftermath was also not illegal.
I’m really not sure why people are hyperfocusing on the one instance where the US didn’t commit a war crime. You have so many other things to pick from… why die on this hill? They bombed a God damn school for girls.
The article references the geneva convention as the document that requires rescuing the sailors. So that is where that part comes from. It is of cpurse unlikely to be as simply worded as that. So lets agree it may not be strictly speaking illegal. However, illegal is whatever the prosecutor decides to prosecute for and that the judge agrees is illegal. In some cases a jury too.
But let’s put that aside. My goal was to identify the person who was the last person to reasonably expect to reject the order. In this case the captain of the sub. Name and shame. Give people in that position in the future at least some reason to pause and think before doing such things. Just following orders doesn’t cut it at that level. If not from a legal standpoint, then from a moral one. We need to shine a light on those people, let them know we know what they did. Make them live with that.
Again. This wasn’t an illegal order. There’s nothing for a captain to interpret as illegal. They’re targeting a warship belonging to the enemy.
If a captain just blatantly refuse orders, because they have a moral problem with it, rather than a legal one, they’d be subjective to court martial. They could end up prison for a very long time. Or worse.
Everyone that has served in any country. Knows that you as a captain/pilot/sailor/infantry, mechanic, whatever. You don’t have all the information. You have to trust your superiors and their superiors that they know what they’re doing.
So unless you’re given a blatantly illegal order. You follow it. Because other people’s lives may very well depend on it. I don’t think the captain was the person that should reasonably reject the order. Partly because you have no idea what information that captain had available to them.
You do you. If you want to name and shame people you will do that regardless of what anyone else thinks. But the reasons you’ve laid out does not support your argument that the captain is the problem.
So I wasn’t talking about the strike as much as not aiding the sailors. Sinking the boat, while reprehensible, would be a hard order to defy. Rescuing the sailors until other help arrived though. That would be reasonable to do, even if ordered not to. Leaning on the Geneva convention as support may not save a person. But it would still be the honorable thing to do.
The entire strikes are illegal as the United States is not in a state of war with Iran.
Besides, “I was just following orders” has never and will never be accepted as a justification.
It might be illegal under US law. I wouldn’t know. I’m not a US lawyer. But what I do know is that it’s not a war crime. And it doesn’t break any “international law”.
The international body that is supposed to look into these things would be the UN security counsel. At which both US and Russia are permanent members and both have veto powers. So good luck getting anything done there
There was a precedent in Nuremberg you should look into
Oh wow. Okay, any particular part I should direct my focus on that says its illegal to attack an enemy’s warship in international waters?
Or are you just throwing around some words to read somewhere thinking it sounds clever?
Yeah, the part about following orders not being a valid defense is a good start, my little war crimes defender.
He also decided to not help the survivors.
It’s a submarine. What do you expect them to do? They are not equipped to handle POW’s
It is believed Sri Lanka was notified which were at the scene quickly after it sank.
They surface, they deploy lifeboats. They treat the wounded and hand them off to locals. Just like submarines have been doing for a very long time. As was pointed out, even the Nazis didn’t abandon survivors. Sri Lanka may have been their quickly, but quickly in nautical terms is hours at best. The sub could have hung around and aided the survivors at least that long.
You are right about nazi subs helping sailors. They would carry them on top of the sub, while towing the rest from a lifeboat. And then they stoped doing that. Because they were fired upon by allied planes while they were towing the lifeboat. So they cut the line and submerged.
That was the last time a submarine tried to help sailors in WW2.
Submarine countermeasures have only increased since then.
Another reason for the submarine to not surface is because they don’t want to let anyone else know which submarine is where.
I’m not gonna say sinking an unarmed warship returning from an exercise is cool. But it’s not a war crime if it’s in international waters, And it’s also not a war crime for a submarine to remained submerged. They are simply not expected to conduct rescue operations.
How was it a legal target? We are not at war as idiot orange says.
You are in a defacto war. Despite whatever orange man says. The ship was inside international waters. It belongs to the nation you are attacking. It was a military ship. It is a legal target.
What’s not a legal target are the civilian boats they shot down outside of Venezuela.
Even the Japanese technically declared war before they attacked pearl harbor. That the US gov was too disorganized to get the message to pearl harbor is not their fault.
So usa’s ships are legal targets for all world countries?
Attacking a military ship is generally not a war crime (as defined by international law such as the Geneva treaties, Rome Statute etc…). It is an act of war (same as invasion or bombardment of another country), and is likely to see retaliation by the attacked country.
Aggression (i.e. unprovoked acts of war) is against the Charter of the United Nations, which also includes the International Court of Justice as a dispute resolution mechanism. It is up to the United Nations Security Council (at which the US has a veto) to authorise enforcement of ICJ rulings.
If a nation is acting to protect another nation facing aggression from the US, it would be legal for the attack US military ships. The reason why they wouldn’t would more be that it would likely bring counter-retaliation from the US.
If you want to start a war with the US, sure.
Legal by whose standards? The international law’s? No one enforces that. Unless it’s to benefit the richest. Most international law is followed basically on the honor system.
By the US’s standards, everything is legal because the president has no limitations because our government will never pass those limitations on a president. If it was illegal, no one is can or will enforce it.
Who cares about “legal”?
Rules for thee not for me
Actually the orange idiot keeps saying you are. It was Mike Johnson going the SMO route
Only Congress can declare war. Until then it’s a conflict.
A war is a war whether the aggressor decides to officially call it that or not
It’s just as much a war as Putin’s war in Ukraine is. The fact that Congress hasn’t gotten round to declaring it yet is moot
Oh I know, and you know, but there are legal definitions and issues with what he’s doing. Not that any of that matters regardless to the asshats in charge.
Hot take, if you elect a person who showed in their first term a total disrespect for international, national, and martial law maybe the kind of people you have in the armed forces aren’t likely to be any better. The smart, moral people who also were high enough in the chain of command to matter have likely been purged or jumped ship to something less problematic.
The naive belief that any laws matter at this late hour is hard to understand, and harder to respect. This isn’t going to blow over and “go back to normal.” Which incidentally wasn’t great either.
Well, I less care about prosecution that isn’t going to happen, and more about name and shame. That can do a lot to shape future behaviour.
Pete Hegseth is a fucking war criminal and he fucking better be prosecuted for this.
Hell freezes over before US war criminals are properly prosecuted. There is even some weird law that the US invades The Hague, if they detain US personal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act
and then they pretend the rest of the world hates America because they don’t like freedom…
Just like rumsfield and cheney! America got this!
How do we make that happen?
Revolution
I think it’s clear that Americans were always so ruthless, depraved and racist. Over the past decades they simply had good PR. They killed thousands of civilians in Hiroshima just to show off and then engaged in decades long campaign of murder, rape and plunder all over the world. The only thing that saved them from being seen for what they are was good marketing: movies selling the American dream, well behaved politicians pretending they are leading civilized country and economic power keeping everyone else in check. This is simply the mask falling off. Trump and his administration are to stupid to play the PR game and everyone can see what US really is.
Iran’s military would NEVER attack a defenseless target!
How about we destroy all of their military assets and if the soldiers don’t want to get killed, they can desert?
“We”?
Where you deployed to, chickenhawk?
How about we try and be better behaved than goddamned terrorists?
No? You don’t want to meet that incredibly low standard? Then congrats, you’re also a terrorist. Great job. America is a terrorist nation under Donald “Pig who rapes kids” Trump.
Whataboutism.
When you have to prove that US is actually not worse than a brutal regime but only just as bad you’re not doing as great as you think.
Okay but what armed conflict ever do you sit and wait for them to pick up ammo.
Basically the one in which you don’t want to look like an asshole and a monster. US is not going to face any consequences here, this all about optics. US started the entire conflict and has big advantage. It didn’t have to kill all those people. It chose to do it and did in the most cowardly way. Any invader doing something like this would be condemned and US is simply proving they are as depraved as any other brutal regime. For now they are simply as bad as the Nazis or the Soviets but looks like they are trying to prove they are actually worse.
who the fuck are you destroy other countries military assets? americans are all scum without any exception, fuck off
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No ethnicity has a monopoly on racism. It is global to the human condiction. It may be that in European / US it’s predominantly by white European people. But it’s not hard to find examples of it all around the world, extant and from the past where ethnicity, caste, religion, language is used as an excuse to hate on and subjugate some outside group.
So just ‘men’ then? Or you don’t have genocide in Africa?
But if Americans are specially racists and ruthless is an interesting question. On one hand I’m pretty sure they simply took advantage of their position on international stage and many other countries would do the same in their situation. Russians for sure are not better. On the other hand any country could oppress big parts of their population the way US does and most civilized countries don’t do it. US is leading the world in mass incarceration, still loves death penalty and is practicing slavery. European countries could do the same but don’t for some reason. Is lack of power the only reason? I think American ideology has a lot to do with it. It managed to create the richest shithole in the world and that’s a very unique achievement. Personally I think it is the result of brainwashing every American goes trough.
I read somewhere how the educational system in the British Empire was specifically designed to create people able to ruthlessly govern over vast population of people. Is American system designed in the same way? A mix of superiority and stupidity that makes people immune to self-reflection and ready to brutalize everyone they see as the lower class?
I’m not sure of the ethnicities of the US personnel that drowned the unharmed Iranians but statistically speaking not all of the were white men but all of them US Americans.
So probably racist is not the right word.
He ordered a double tap 🤷♂️
I’ve seen plenty of data points to suggest the IDF is running America and this is one of them
The part where Rubio just flat out said Israel wanted war so now we’re in it, was a pretty big one…
Link? Didn’t see that
Ha, IDF are chumps compared to who’s running America (and probably your country, too).
It’s right out in the open, really. Look at THE FED for clues
These are not nationalist interests
Accidental double click, must be using a well worn Logitech G500 series (those mice are notorious about the bad switches used in them which results in regular double clicks after about 2.5 years of use).
Yep. Had to replace the switches in mine after 4 years. Was a g502 but the point is the same. Could not use it as double and triple clicks became commonplace.
Corsair seems to suffer that same issues.
Anyone have any reqs for durable ambidextrous/left handed mice with thumb switches?
Its crazy how the whole world is to much of a pussy to do anything to the US.
Almost as crazy as how US citizens are too much pussies to even vote, let alone do something about it. Also up there with whining about others not taking care of US citizens responsibilities.
I very much agree as well. I’m not defending the US but it is what it is. If everyone is to pussy to do anything about it then it will continue and there’s no reason to complain.
The US has the single most powerful military force in the world. So when a deranged orange psychopath who has the ego of a cracked eggshell has access to the nuclear football that can call upon the destruction of life as we know it, you’d be careful too.
Thankfully, we’re currently reaching the offense side of the pendulum, where defenses haven’t caught up yet and made a stalemate. The $20,000 drones that are being used are going to overwhelm the $4,000,000 missiles used to stop them.
Perhaps america will get just enough of a kick in the teeth for our government to reel itself in and take care of our war criminals and profiteers… /cue_maniacal_laughter at that thought ever actually happening.
Okay you maybe right however if no one won’t do anything about it then don’t bitch about it.
What exactly do you think I should be doing?
Bombing defenseless ships had been Kegsbreath’s hobby and pass time since last fucking year
Why Hegseth? He didn’t push the button, but some idiot to whom ordinary Americans would shout “thank you for your service.” “I’m just following orders” is not an excuse, many such people were shot by the Nuremberg Tribunal for war crimes they committed because someone ordered them to.
Because responsibility starts with leadership. It’s a very simple concept that current leaders ignore and we pay the price for.
No one was shot as a result of Nuremberg trials. And only, like, nine people were hanged as a result of them.
Both, both is good
It’s called command climate. The messaging from those in charge has a direct bearing on how the troops behave. Hegseth has consistently advocated brutality and disregard for international law and human life.
The submarine commander didn’t do this unilaterally. He was clearly ordered to do so, and that order would have come from Hegseth or Trump.
That should be an automatic declaration of war.
Aren’t we, like, way past that point…?
Iran certainly thinks so
When you blow up their leader then keep bombing their cities, that usually is a good reason to think so.
Also because Trump keeps calling it “war”.
War™*
*For legal reasons not an actual war.
Not according to Congress.
*Special torpedo operation
Bloodthirsty maga savages did not even give the boys a chance to surrender. You see why Iran regards the Yanks as “The Great Satan”?
1The us is insane. But looking for sympathy for a religious ethnostate that just murdered thousands of its civilians is a lol. GTFO 🤣
Everyone sucks here and I couldn’t care less since it’s in the sea in warships. Fuck every last one of both these war mongers.
Things were much better in Iran 10 years ago. They were enjoying quite moderate times. But then The Great Satan stabbed them in the back when Trump betrayed the Nukes Deal.
There’s a million valid reasons Trumpism is evil, but excusing the utter cruelty the Iranian government wields isn’t one of them.
Explain how “great satan” forced the Iranian government to murder, maim, jail, and rape protestors last month.
You don’t have to excuse anything. In WW2, the US had segregation, the European allies had brutal overseas empires, and the USSR had a police state. Still better than Nazi Germany.
No. Things were much better in Iran in the 70’s before the Islamic revolution took power in 79.
Things were so great that the government got overthrown. People got tired of winning, said “Shah, we can’t take so much prosperity!”
you mean the CIA backed coup was actually a grassroots movement?
Is that so hard to believe? Or do I need to remind you that ISIS once controlled regions in the middle East. They weren’t exactly known for their promotion of prosperity, running around burning people alive, destroying museums, raping women and demolishing ancient statues and ruins.
And just like ISIS, we will one day be rid of America and Israel
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Okay, they definitely didn’t just kill thousands of their own people and that definitely would have been Americas fault because treaty 🙄
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