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Cake day: June 14th, 2023

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  • Because who ever is in power gets to determine what a traditional family value is.

    That is the nut of any political system. You can’t just throw up your hands and announce “We need to get government out of X”, because that’s loser talk. It implies you’ve sworn off ever having a majoritarian view and just want to hide in obscurity. Ultimately, you need a popular representative majority. And the good news is…

    Polls suggest that there is rising support for same-sex marriages among the Hong Kong public. A survey in 2023 found 60% were in favour of same-sex marriage, compared to 38% a decade ago.

    Mass Line politics would suggest change is in the wind, whether the old guard of social conservatives want it or not. But in a system like Hong Kong’s (one pioneered by the British and staunchly championed by American Libertarians until about five years ago) that change has to occur via shifting social attitudes in the municipal mega-corps.

    One of the bigger frictions in Hong Kong politics is this stark divide between the (heavily conservative Catholic) ruling class and the (far more Buddhist/secular) working class. Even the handover back to China hasn’t done much to change the dynamic, as Beijing has prioritized loyalty to the CCP over real progressive politics. Turns out Eastern Capitalists are as happy to sell out for a quick buck as their Western Peers.

    citizens need to argue that government is a set of codified rules, bound to all, not some morality maker

    The problem isn’t that the government lacks a set of codified laws. It’s that the laws are shit and need changing.

    Maybe the inertia in the legislature will give the courts more latitude to simply nullify anti-LGBTQ provisions, as happened in the US state of Iowa in 2009 under Varnum v. Brien. Or maybe the public can stir up a big enough stink that Hong Kong corporate heads relent. I guess we’ll see.


  • The government, all governments needs to get out of the business of giving a shit about same sex, other sex, any sex, whatever.

    Marriage is heavily bound up in the ownership of property and the political networks of elite families. If you get under the fold…

    The law, which would have recognised some rights for couples who were married overseas

    seems to be a broadly unpopular compromise solution, satisfying very few people in practice

    the bill had been criticised by both LGBTQ activists - who viewed it as insufficient in creating an alternative framework - and by members of the LegCo - who said the proposal went against traditional family values and paved the way for the legalisation of same-sex marriage