Fewer every day.

Ironic

You think it’s bad now? Wait until the polls are closed

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I beg you please stop misrepresenting the argument.

“Paper ballots are more secure!”

“Obviously, the textbook case that exposes all the problems with manually managing and tallying physical ballots is beside the point”

Okay, sure.

If you refuse to address this point

Electronically input printed ballots are the best method of tabulating an election result we have formulated to date.

There is absolutely no benefit to using pencils on paper. None. Zero. Zip. Bupkiss.

Your fetish for pencils doesn’t change with the election season. It just becomes blindingly apparent when election is fumbled badly enough to necessitate a deep dive into what went wrong.

fucking around with something not just pencil and paper

Pencil-marked central-count optical scan ballots had a 5.7% undercount rate in Florida counties that adopted the technique.

You can find out more here: https://www.usccr.gov/files/historical/2001/01-021.pdf

These were not unique to Florida, by any moans.

There is something inherantly more secure about physical ballots.

There isn’t. They can be easily misread and miscounted, they can be misfiled, hidden, lost, and destroyed. They are a bitch to transport securely. They can vary in format and interpretation. They’re comically easy to spoil.

An average person can fully comprehend how a paper voting system is kept secure.

No they can’t.

Again, jump back to Bush v Gore. Or go all the way back to Nixon v Kennedy or Tammeny Hall New York. Hell, consider the elections in Iraq and Vietnam and Korea after the various US occupations, and the comically one-sided election results. Or elections in the old Soviet Bloc, which Americans routinely dismissed as fraudulent. Or the most recent elections in Latin America that remain openly disputed.

Very easy to point to historical moments where the paper ballot systems were distrusted. That’s pretty much the whole history of their use.

But it’s much less plausible when you have more secure voting systems.

No lay voter has any idea of what constituents “secure” in a material sense.

All you have are people insisting “my system is safe, your system is not”. And this thread is a perfect illustration.

Hand marked paper ballots are notoriously prone to failure. Nothing about them is materially more secure than a printed ballot. And yet…

This is easily solved by never having any portion of the vote counting and transport happen alone.

It isn’t easily solved, as the number of venues and volume of votes leave ample opportunities for shenanigans (or, at least, alleged shenanigans).

The Ohio Recount in 2004 is a classic example.

Eh. This is more an indication that Lulu, specifically, has learned his lessons from his first turn at the Presidency and isn’t going to wait around for the Bolsonaros to organize a coup against him.

Look at Columbia or El Salvador or Ecuador or Chile. They all had a turn at Biden tier liberalism, let the fascism feaster under their watch, and then got flipped to reactionary dictatorships in the next cycle.

Lulu got jailed once. He came out stronger and smarter. He’s too old to get shoved back into prison again.

The Arab parties’ 18 seats is the biggest game changer. The Netanyahu block will obviously never partner with them

It’s more that the Arab Parties would be deeply reluctant to partner with them. But that hardly matters when Gadi Eisenkot is IDF to his bones, and fully in favor of ethnic cleansing of Arabs.

The biggest problem you’ve got is Itamar Ben-Gvir picking up and changing sides, on the condition he gets to keep massacring school children

You Americans better fucking vote like the Brazilians.

Brazilian voting is mandatory.

And their mandatory voting system has routinely produced far right governments.

Electronic voting is such a liability for exactly this reason

Gotta go back to the old tried and true Butterfly Ballot system. That never fails.

Pen/pencil and paper. Much more secure.

Nothing in the election machinery prevents a candidate from claiming fraud.

Certainly, nothing about pen and paper ballots prevents disreputable agents from stuffing ballot boxes or just refusing to count opposition votes entirely.

Should have seen him at the debate. He was running circles around Bolsonaro, at thirty years his junior.

OpenAI employees, probably

As soon as they start making material progress, Elon yanks the rug on them.

You really gotta wonder who is running this shit show.

If you can get two million more, that’ll win you the election

The Parliament is already decided. I think three different Bolsonaros are currently in the Congress.

Nonsense. We just cut off 20% of the global supply of Petroleum with the Iran War.

That, plus Ukraine and Russia obliterating their fossil fuel production capacity is going a long way towards tightening emissions.

While I agree this shit sucks, I think it is very naive to assume powerful countries don’t routinely meddle in the elections of weaker peers with impunity.

The most recent elections in Columbia and Brazil are textbook examples of this. Nobody is going to punish the Bolsonaros now that they’re in power.

Nonsense. This person is a Democrat, so you just call him an antisemite