It’s ironic as they fail to comdemn truely massive attacks on civilians
Thank God, I’ve been worried about a massive attack coming from Singapore for decades now. I’m so glad their nation decided to support Palestine instead of invading us.
Badge of honor
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Saw their show the other night in Korea where they showed the same flag. The whole show was epic and laid out a lot of uncomfortable truths. The whole show is here for anyone interested: https://youtu.be/mW_c909VqVU
Love massive attack
they broke a local law
i guess they think they and israel palestine is above that kind of thing. a common belief held by people like that
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I had to reread that headline a few times before I remembered Massive Attack is a band 😑
There’s actually a story around the band name: during the first gulf war, around '91, they changed it to just Massive because they did not want to appear like they’re endorsing it.
They kinda did tricky dirty. But over all yeah.
Ever since the first Gulf war.
Singapore has always given me the creeps because of the whole conscription thing. This just feels indicative of that underlying rot.
I visit Singapore quite often and it’s dystopian despite all the pretty parks and malls. The thing is it’s dystopian but boring so people don’t really notice it. The entire “country” is a tax and school haven for Asian billionaires, there’s absolutely nothing else there.
They’ve only had 1 party rule, it’s technically a democracy but it’s as rigged as it can be without crossing the line into actual rigging.
I love Singapore, but I have a question. Would you ban a music band, if they waved:
- 🇺🇸
- 🇷🇺
- 🇮🇱
- 🇹🇼
- 🇺🇦
Asking for a friend.
Why do you love Singpore? Genuinely asking as someone who visits the place at least once a year.
According to the article, yes:
The decision is tied to Singapore’s policies on public speech, which prohibit publicly displaying foreign national emblems without a permit or exemption.
You can freely wave the flag of Singapore in Singapore, but for any other national flag, there could be a problem if you don’t get permission first.
There’s just a lot of weird laws in Singapore.
Singapore recognized the Palestine nation?! /S
I mean as long as it’s applied universally, I’m not completely against banning flags of other nations.
The problem is when the Israel flag is allowed yet the Palestinians flag isn’t.
I think the problem is just having weird laws against freedom of speech, but that’s just me.
I mean. Banning other flags in specific places seems like it could be appropriately applied but also potentially abused.
Not sure there is a right answer. I share your concerns with censorship. It never stops with one thing.
Cuz ya know, if there’s one thing Singapore is touchy about considering its long historical ties with the Middle East, it’s Palestine and the fate of Jews and Arabs there.
Honestly, what do they care? Don’t they have other things to worry about on the other side of the planet?
They care about enforcing censorship and keeping a lid on “politics” disrupting “social harmony”. Once again Palestine is an issue that unearths the deeper fractures and contradictions in a society.
keeping a lid on “politics” disrupting “social harmony”
Also known as punishing people who talk back to authority.
Also, guess which middle eastern country regularly sends their officers to train the Singaporean military? Hint: it’s not Palestine
So mini CCP, got ya.
They have put in proper rule of law, so not like ccp. And although it’s defacto single party, it’s not de jure. But yeah, freedom of expression-wise it’s below average.
Rule of law is not so different from corruption in Singapore which literally just a tax haven. It goes from “I know a guy who’ll take 100k to fix this” to “I know a guy who will incorporate a shell company for 100k to fix this”. All it does it makes corruption exclusive to mega rich.
CCP is pro Palestine but go off
CCP is not pro anything. It’s funny how autocracy founded on explicit design documents is one the biggest real politik actors out there.
“Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia.” - 1984
CCP officially justifies these as “use any means for achieving goals” and this is the entire party - just power for power sake. There’s no actual ideology or consciousness - it’s literally “The Party” from 1984. However I don’t want to discredit Chinese people who actually do make meaningful change but it’s in spite of CCP not because of it.
CCP is pro-CCP.
China is Israel’s biggest exporter and 2nd biggest importer
CCP doesn’t give a fuck about Gazans or they would embargo, it’s just a retorical device for them.
Gotta buy that surveillance software in order to reverse engineer it.
You’re not wrong but you’ll notice that all the countries that have made the strongest criticisms toward Israel are present in that list, like Spain and Ireland. Trade and geopolitics aren’t always compatible.
Yes but CCP controls all trade while it’s much harder in free democracies. If CCP actually cares about something it is done immediately. Just take a look at trade war with the US, CCP is always 10 steps ahead because they can move so fast as they can’t be held accountable. That’s actually why there are so many autocracy proponents in the west now - “democracy is too slow, we’re losing”.
Yes, also true that the CPC is more effective in their decision-making. However, I’d like to claim that a free democracy never existed in the west – at least not in a way that deserves to be described as such. This varies from country to country, but to put it in general terms, there is democracy in the west insofar that the populace doesn’t stray too far away from capitalist doctrine.
The past two-three decades have shown that. No single people would like the housing prices to be as high as they are, or to live in societies where essential services are slowly picked apart by capital. When we vote, we can get the change we want as long as it’s acceptable within the bounds of what the country’s oligarchy want. And we are steadily under the assault of desinformation campaigns that demonise anything thats left of center – something you can see in effect with every piece of propaganda hurled at China.
Every single mainstream party within every single western country has turned rightward, and you’d be hard-pressed to find a politician that runs on – or delivers – on leftist principles. That is the effect of capital in action. Capitalism cannot exist within democracy – it will devour the will of people, soon or late.
And this is not to mention the extent to which supposedly free countries have oppressed their peoples for speaking up for the plight of the Palestinians.
What you see in the US is the inevitable result of letting capital exist within democracy.
So no – “free democracies” don’t exist in the west. The CPC, for all its faults, seems to do good by its people. They have high approval within the Chinese populace. And as long as it’s American/Western actors accusing the CPC of whichever offense that they themselves were guilty of, and for fear of the emerging superpower that disproves their profit-driven economic models, then I won’t believe it. And neither should you.
You and so many are so deluded by propaganda about China. I used to believe it until I saw how these same sources lied so they effortlessly about Gaza and Palestine. Then I went to China to see it for myself – and it rocks. Housing is cheap, jobs are good and it’s hard to believe this was sold to me as a dystopian dictatorship.
Well, theres this really insane military power that they’re close trading partners with that really cares about their little ethnostate vassal.
Don’t they have other things to worry about on the other side of the planet?
Palestine-Singapore is not that far away compared to, say, Palestine-USA.
USA gives zero shits about Singapore. They try to insert themselves into a narrative to try to feel relevant.
Massive attack is awesome, such a great experience to see their show. Much better than you would expect from a 35+ year old band.
But I bet it would been totally cool if they flew an israeli flag.
Possibly, but unlikely.
Singapore has a lot of very strict laws, and they apply them rigorously. Famously their drug possession laws have a ton of prison time, and often the death penalty for trafficking.
From the article, it is a very narrow but all encompassing law, originally passed in 1949 and the last update in 2021 predates the most recent conflict…
The decision is tied to Singapore’s policies on public speech, which prohibit publicly displaying foreign national emblems without a permit or exemption.
Singapore has strict laws because it’s positioned as Switzerland of Asia but without actual country. It’s a bland “nothing happens” here haven for billionaires. They get to store their wealth and their kids there exactly because nothing happens in Singapore and if something does happen the surveillance and lawyer state will inform and protect you.
In the grand scale of things maybe one can argue this is good for Asia? But imo it’s disgusting and unethical, it’s distilling society to it’s worst parts of indifference and grifting. The only redeeming thing is academia which in itself managed to grift of this state but that’s good, take something good back from these billionaires and their hiden bastards - maybe they can be turned into real people who actually care about the world they live in.
When publicly stating alignment with Israel or Palestine, you have to choose if you want to be hated by the government, or the actual people on the street.
It always amazes me how different people and entities are held to different standards.
It’s almost as if they are… different things.
Yeah. one of them are victims.
the other is the people trying to genocide them into nonexistence and getting away with it.
Ok my comment was very poorly phrased.
Different standards are applied to different countries.
Different standards are also applied to different people.
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Are they still allowed into the Schengen zone? If so, the German government will have some tough questions to answer regarding its Staatsräson obligations.
The German government is apparently blocking EU Sanctions to Israel but that’s because it’s pretty easy to block things in the EU.
Making the EU actually do things (such as banning this band from entering the Schengen zone) on the other hand is way more difficult since the other ones can block it (which Spain would almost certainly do it on this subject and many others would do simply because they’re against blocking people to enter the EU just because one EU nation’s government discords with them politically - the bullcrap about criticism of Israel being anti-semitism has very little traction in most of the EU and apparently judging by recent news it has no traction even in the German Justice system).
Did you know that you can’t get a massive attack on Singapore because it is ilegal?
