Whenever I talk to any Democrat supporters, they by-default cheer their Presidents and then I’ve to remind them of their leader’s illegal wars and war crimes. They condemn those acts and they go back to their cheerleading role - Why do they keep forgetting atrocities committed by their leaders? Why do they accept war criminals as their leader?
Yeah. The criticism of Biden in Gaza was valid, but Gaza wasn’t on the ballot in 2024. A Trump election meant US support of more Israeli aggression.
A Harris election also meant more Israeli aggression.
Well. It was on the ballot. It just wasn’t likely to win because it wasn’t an issue considered important by the two major parties. You could have voted PSL or Green or one of the other parties, as over three million people did in the last election.
Besides, by that logic, Israeli aggression wasn’t on the ballot either! Do you think Harris would have stopped Israel from starting war with Iran? The war with Iran was already beginning in 2024 before Trump even got into office. Maybe it would have taken a different form, maybe it wouldn’t have happened this year, but Israel was going to attack Iran and the US was going to follow.
I don’t think Harris would have bombed Iran.
But hey, it is better to do something that feels good than something which affects change, right?
Yeah you really affected change
There was already an economic war on Iran, which was already killing people and destabilizing their government. Harris would have waited a few more years for the economic war to collapse Iran’s government and turn it into a situation similar to Syria, and only then would have started bombing. By then, Iran might not have been able to exert control over traffic through Hormuz.
Harris would have been a better manager of the empire. Instead, we got Trump, who is on track to lose to Iran.
Ahh, so you’re an accelerationist.
Damn, that enthusiasm for"lesser evilism" sure dries up real fast when it might be you on the business end of it
I don’t think you know what that means.
Accelerationism would mean voting for Harris because she’d be a better manager of the empire.
No. Wanting Trump to win is accelerationist because he’s going to cause the empire to fall faster due to incompetence.
You aren’t angry at Democrats for war crimes, you’re angry at them because they are better at governing.
That’s still not what accelerationism is you smug idiot
Accelerationism would mean accelerating the growth of the empire to bring about its collapse under the weight of its own contradictions, so, voting for the best imperial managers to keep growing the empire. That means voting for Democrats, they’re better imperial governors. They’re better at doing war crimes and getting away with it.
What I want is for the empire to lose. That’s not accelerationism. That’s revolutionary defeatism.
No. It means picking the person who will accelerate into whatever calamity which will cause a collapse.
I feel like there is a lot of revisionism of the definition because the definition is inconvenient to the opposing argument.
Emotions aside, is their assessment of events incorrect? Harris is a more sane war hawk, recognizing that doesn’t make you an accelerationist.
An accelerationist is picking someone who will collapse the empire due to incompetence and destroying American institutions. Between Trump and Harris, I don’t see Harris causing a collapse of American institutions like Trump.
Also, in regards to Iran, Trump has been far more antagonistic than Biden and Democrats in general were. The Biden administration at least needed a false flag attack to support Israel and a lot of the opposition came from Democrats. Trump got rid of Obama’s multilateral nuclear treaty and has participated in Israeli attacks where Israel was the aggressor.