The americans knew the ship was coming for a military exercise without ammunition, they couldn’t just seize it and captured everyone and got the ship? I’m missing something?
Terrorists want blood.
They could’ve done that with Venezuela’s “drug boats” too but didn’t. That’s because the goal was actually to kill people.
You assume they wanted the ship or prisoners more than the death and suffering
First principles: Even assuming they somehow magically knew there really were no smallarms on the ship, why take the risk of getting stabbed or beaten with a pipe or trapping you and starting a fire or whatever. It would be another thing if the ship surrendered, but no reason to put yourself and your fellow soldiers at risk to go easy on your enemy.
Deeper reason: With long range missiles and drones being the primary threat to a ship, the biggest limitations are actually locating the enemy ship, tracking it and guiding the missile/drones towards it. Even a ship with no ammo can do that by relaying your position to another ship or shore based missiles/drones. So pulling your ship right next to an enemy one and having to stay there while your marines go board it is not a safe thing to do.
Capturing a vessel is very different than performing a boarding action. If the U.S. captured the Iranian vessel then there wouldn’t be any risk of “getting beaten with a pipe” because the Iranian vessel surrendered.
DeeperDumber reason: Given the state of technology today and with all of the jamming, electronic warfare tech, and counter drone and missile stuff that the U.S. Navy has, it wouldn’t make a lick of difference whether the Iranian vessel was right next to a U.S. warship or not.Edit: lol at getting beaten with a pipe. Jesus fucking Christ. Get off of LLMs, they’re clearly ruining your ability to reason
Putting aside your other bullshit, you answered the question yourself then. They did not capture it because it did not surrender.
In a warfighting context, to capture an enemy vessel or position means you coerced them to surrender with overwhelming firepower or threat of force. Also is semantics the only counterargument you have?
Normally I wouldn’t care this much, but the whole reason for this conversation was that you were defending the murders of unarmed sailors who were not at war. So fuck you, you fucking shitwhistle.
who were not at war
And you accuse me of semantics? Is Russia also not at war in your mind, because they did not make some war declaration ritual?
Normally I wouldn’t care this much, but the whole reason for this conversation was that you were defending the murders of unarmed sailors who were not at war. So fuck you, you fucking shitwhistle.
WTF is this argument? Oh no, they did not have ammo in their gun at the particular moment they were killed. I guess any sniper who kills a general or an assassin trying to kill Hitler should go straight to hell, because their target was not holding a gun at that particular moment.
I find it mind boggling that the part that troubles you is the death of soldiers supporting brutal theocratic dictator most well known for killing his own people and supporting terrorist groups throughout the region. However many issues I have with the US military, the US as a whole, and it’s pedophile president, this really isn’t one of them.
I’m curious, what excuses will you make for the nazis when they’re dragging you out of your house ?
it will be" your suppose to be hurting them , not me"
You think they live on a warship?
Lot of gymnastics here. This is pretty simple: do not move your unarmed warship through international waters so you can arm it and join an active conflict while your aggressor is literally right next to you.
The Iranian admiral who ordered this ship to sail is an idiot and this ship was fair game.
Gymnastics my arse. It was an attack on an unarmed ship.
During a war these grubs can’t justify. Maggots they are.
An unarmed what? What kind of ship was it? Headed to where? To be armed to with what? To do what?
The war is not justifiable. But given the context that frigate was done the moment it sailed.
An unarmed what
Ship, with human lives on it
What kind…
Unarmed. Vulnerable.
Headed to where
Home port which still doesn’t justify sinking an unarmed ship
To be armed…
To do what
Then it might be fair game if this war was legitimate but it isn’t. It was only done the moment it sailed because Americans are war criminals and the bad guys.
What the actual fuck? The US has turned into a parody of itself. It’s sad to see.
This is who we always were. Real time media for events out of sight and earshot is relatively new. And that’s partly why they want to heavily censor and spy on us.
It is my first belief that this is the point.
And Putin is quite happy.
Yes, Putin probably enjoys this, but this is not trump alone. He has the support of the whole republican party, or at least 95% of it.
He has support of the US. They voted for him and for his ‘opposition’ of cowards that can do nothing but watch cry crocodile tears.
I agree it’s not but like AIPAC I don’t think it’s a stretch that the broader cartel that is the GOP realizes their reelection hinges on the bilateral relationship with Russia. They’ve been in cahoots for at least 2 decades or more.
Well don’t think he’s that happy since his supply of drones most likely has dried up
If I understand right, ruzzia has long since started to develop and innovate domestically upon the design of Shaheds, and I don’t think they were receiving that many relative to domestic production, though I agree it’s a thorn in Putin’s side presumably.
Though I have some other theories as to the bigger game being played here but just theories and speculation.
make sense why the right wing talking heads hes paying isnt spreading anti-iran propaganda, he mostly certain is trying to formulate a way to discredit the war, but hasnt yet.
Well, when you elect clowns…
is this honestly a surprise? :(
There is no carpet bombing of Tehran. This person is thus not a reputable source and you need to start doubting the rest of the claims until you find a better source.
Just to understand your claim: you’re saying Israel and the US are attacking hospitals with precision bombs, not carpet bombs? Not sure which would be better, to be honest.
Ryan Grim is an investigative journalist who has a strong track record of accurate and groundbreaking reporting. Whatever semantics arguments you have doesn’t make him any less reputable or this statement any less correct.
Are you arguing semantics over the use of “carpet bombing”? Because it was definitely bombed.
Bombed, yes. Carpet bombed, no.
… so they precision struck those targets then?
Your problem with Ryan Grim is he didn’t paint a bad enough picture?
Fair enough.
They mean striking civilian targets when they say carpet bombing, they don’t mean WW2 style mass dumb bombing.
They mean what they say and it is propaganda. In addition, the amount of civilian targets hit are few. The Islamic regime itself is responsible for a lot more deaths. The opinions of regime-critical Iranians inside the country can be summarized like this: yes, bombs are scary, but the regime is more scary.
The Islamic regime itself is responsible for a lot more deaths.
STOP JUSTIFYING THIS. YOU. ARE. BRAINWASHED.
Bro two hospitals and a school where they haven’t shown a valid target nearby is three civilian targets too many for the most technologically advanced military in the world.
Double tapping is just fuel on a bonfire but sure if prevaricating for fascists is your deal then carry on.
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Keyword used to be, we have the largest Intel apparatus of any nation, combine that with Israel being at the very least top ten especially when it comes to Iran.
They knew, stop trying to make excuses for the inexcusable.
I still don’t think they knew, or at least mistakes were made. I don’t see any reason to stike like 500 military targets and then just that particular school.
People give the US too much credit
edit: as a mod seems to have deleted my post for some vague reason, here’s the article I referred to
10 years ago
IDK. Kind of sounds like some shit Russia would do. 😒
Sounds like rubbish Israel, USA and other Nazi states would do.
Well Russia didn’t do it because they don’t have the “fuck you” power that the US has. Russia sucks and is a huge danger, but this is absolutely not the time to whataboutism about them. I really hope you’re being ironic, because otherwise it’s just providing cover for mass murder.
I mean… there can be two murderous ruthless sadistic powers on earth. Three even! I’ll let you choose the third.
Russia, USA, and Israel.
I was thinking of China, but I like yours better.
China is bad, but it’s it worse than the these to 3. I doubt it.
The west considers it worst since
- It’s not an European or white nation, which is technologically advanced.
- It’s daring to reject European interference.
- It is communist.
- It is trying to be the next hegemony.
It is bad because
- It is a dictatorship
- There are a lot of human rights abuse happening in is own country.
- It does try to be the next USSR.
And whataboutisms do not help either case. They just muddy the water and derail the conversation. If you want to talk about Russia or China, the US fighting this awful war only helps other competing empires. Russia is more likely to carve further into Europe, China is more guaranteed to take Taiwan, and other countries will race towards nuclear deterrents even harder then they were. Many more people are dead and will die because of this path America has driven us into. It is horrific and America needs to be stopped to make everyone safer.
It’s not whataboutism, it’s condemning both and NOT letting the existence of other justify the actions of one.
That’s not the way it comes across. It was just as annoying when people did the “what about American imperialism!” when Russia first invaded Ukraine. Timing matters
Equatorial Guinea!
The People’s Dictatorship of Antarctica
Greenland! It’s soooo obviously Greenland. It all makes sense now!
“russia would do” - when you say that to yourself remember that phrase is propaganda. it’s literally some shit the USA did do. Your “IDK” is cognitive dissonance.
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Yes, it’s us. We did this. WE’RE THE NEW RUSSIA!
Russia was never relevant. The USSR failed.
It was empire
Then feudalism
Then the advent of the ruling of the mercantile class.
Next will be rule by the people.
Lol. We aren’t the new Russia. We’re just continuing to be the same war crime committing monsters we’ve been for centuries.
Sounds like some shit the US did do.
Fun fact: they were unarmed
This is just the start. The old world broke once russia invaded Ukraine and we did nothing. Now other countries have realized that the world wont do anything if they also attack. Expansion has once again started. I expect Taiwan to be finished by summer too.
china only wants taiwans chip factories, they arnt getting it if they invade.
What old world? The US committing war crimes is par for the course. This is the same kind of shit the US did in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and more. The cruelty is the point. The difference now is that the current administration is too stupid to lie about it.
The old world broke when the US and UK invaded Iraq illegally in 2003. This is the natural consequence of that. If the people claiming to uphold them don’t follow the rules because they are strong enough, then if we are strong enough we can do anything we want.
I know the UK went along with the Iraq war but remember it was the US that lied and convinced the UK to join in, not that it matters too much, but still.
I get this vibe that no one knows what’s going on anymore and everything is just running on the fumes of the zeitgeist and conspiracy theories.
I find the fact that the whole world “knows” that China will invade Taiwan in 2027 to be really strange. And this has been the case for years. It feels like certain groups are taking it as a foregone conclusion.
Because in a sea of massive uncertainty and chaos that’s around us today, China invading Taiwan in the middle of this makes the most sense out of anything that’s happening right now. It makes so much sense, that everyone has collectively realized it would be stupid for China not to invade Taiwan right now.
I mean, it’s really, really bad for the world, but it would be stupid if they didn’t do it and take advantage of what’s happening everywhere.
China taking Taiwan makes zero sense. It’s a peaceful island next to gigantic mainland China and they can easily coexist like this
China has no deep sea submarine ports.
But it doesn’t make sense to take Taiwan because it would trigger the war that those ports could prevent by allowing China nuclear retaliation.
I think they prepare to take Taiwan, and Japan, for when the US start the conventional war that prevents a Chinese technological lead. They can’t let the US have airfields that close.
Tell that to China
Any time. And they probably know that if they start warring against the peaceful island, the worlds perspective on them changes for good. Tibet was already bad, but they didn’t have the means to spread their message like today and China got away with it.
It’s weird how the US is turning into everything it fought against. Was fun while it lasted.
the us has always been like this.
the monroe doctrine and overt colonialism have only been revived.
John McCain is celebrating wildly in Hell. Bombing Iran has been an American dream for decades!
This is the US and it always has been. The current administration is just stupider than previous ones. They don’t realize that hiding US war crimes served a purpose. They think bragging about their depravity will halt American decline. In reality, it will do the opposite as people like you lose faith in the inherent virtue of the American project.
current administration is just stupider
Imagine that they are not. What if they figured that they can’t hide the crimes and that they are going to do so many that they have to get the population used to it. Trump is no mistake but a solution.
Can we stop inventing fake shit please? The US has never been a force against evil except for that one time 80 years ago.
I think the op is talking about that certain time but ok
Did we fight against it or did we hide our war crimes better?
There’s a reason at least half the world despises the US
You posted the sinking for content… even stupider
Are you lost?
… Add yet another warcrime to the list…
