I’m going to point out rule’s 1 and 5 in the sidebar of this community. Have a nice day.

Are you not also making assumptions here?

I’m sure you have some proof of that, however, it’s more than likely subjective given what I said and what I witnessed and you are getting off your original topic.

Edit: You’re misrepresenting what censorship is, and you have still yet to give anyone here a reason to care about this likely contrived exchange. It seems like rage bait to me.

That’s wonderful.

It has nothing at all to do with why you likely got banned because it probably has more to do with the fact that some mod somewhere found you annoying than it does anything else. I’m sure that’s very sad for you, but why should the rest of us care?

That’s probably true. But I also deliberately blocked the vegan community here because I saw several posts where it was essentially trying to cannibalize itself over whether cats could be vegan. I honestly didn’t want any part of that no matter how useful some of the recipes might have been.

Reddit is a cesspool, and yeah, this community is for reddit stuff but at best this post is just trying to start a fight, or receive some validation (which is like … ridiculous because it’s a one off reddit post and we only have their side of the story, and we don’t even know if the accounts they interacted with are real people).

But also impartiality is something not even paid judges master and it’s like half their mandate. Expecting a bunch of random volunteers who aren’t being paid to be impartial is a crapshoot everywhere including here.

No offense meant, but I’ve seen r/vegan do the same shit to people pointing out the health detriments of a badly optimized vegan diet and I have no sympathy for this because you’re still using reddit.

Exactly. Valve created SteamOS, so it’s weird that they’re having so much trouble porting it to other hardware while other, volunteer-led communities are having no such problems.

Here’s the thing. You haven’t provided anything (except time) to show that Valve are struggling with porting Steam OS to other hardware. You keep saying that they are (even when it has been explained that Steam OS is part and parcel of their physical hardware, and therefore a product that is currently being paid for), but you have nothing to show for it except that it wasn’t their main focus over time.

That doesn’t prove it’s not a priority of theirs. It just proves it’s not the very first priority on their list.

If you thought I was suggesting that we should give Valve more grace than the developers of Bazzite, I think perhaps you focused on the wrong part of what I was trying to explain.

When you consider just how many people (reviewers especially) have been heavily critical of how difficult Steam Os was for them to run on other hardware (this was after steam announced that it would be available on other handhelds, mind you), you can perhaps understand that steam didn’t start out trying to make their OS compatible with every hardware under the sun. Instead they started out making it work on one device (a device they were selling), and have now switched focus (since that device is successful) to making it run on other hardware.

But Bazzite started out making their software run on a couple of devices and then continued to add devices to that stable until it got where it is today because it already had a template in Steam OS, and because it had that particular focus from the start.

Even now, if you go to the Bazzite home page you’re met with a statement about who bazzite is for and that statement is still relatively limited in its scope. The number of devices that they provide guides for are growing all the time, but that was the point of Bazzite, wasn’t it?

And, for what it’s worth, Bazzite has the added benefit of the internet at large helping them. Valve is a company and their R&D isn’t handled by crowd source.

These two entities are working from separate and very different road maps.

Is it weird that a group of volunteers who aren’t charging for the privilege can and do implement a software skew across multiple different hardware, vs a company (who are charging for the privilege) to focus on one piece of hardware to get that working as good as they can for paying customers before moving on to allow their software on other hardware?

Because as you said yourself that’s the difference. Even if that’s not what you meant, that’s literally the difference here. When you are using the software volunteers made you are more willing to give them grace. When you are paying for a product, you are less likely to give a company grace (even if that company is one you like). Because when you pay for a product you expect it to be polished, usable, and generally with little to no flaws.

I’m sure you can and will argue that steam isn’t selling the OS. But the thing is, to a certain extent that’s exactly what they’re doing.

So in response to your question “what does your point have to do with steam OS vs bazzite”, I’ll ask you what this means:“how is it strange that they’re working so hard on this when bazzite/similar will run on anything”.

Because from my view of things there wouldn’t really be a bazzite without steam OS. Steam OS walked so Bazzite could run.

If your argument is that steam OS has flaws and bazzite doesn’t, then I think that’s probably not how I took it. Even if your argument is that both have flaws, that’s not how I took your initial comment.

On the steam deck, the hardware where steam OS launched initially, and where it has lived for the better part of almost 4 years, it’s a pretty polished thing. Steam OS focused first and foremost on making sure that it ran on that hardware because they are a business selling a physical piece of hardware coupled with an OS to provide an experience that people pay for.

When it officially started expanding to other handhelds, it obviously had some teething problems but all in all it’s still improving.

So if you think it’s not a priority, then I guess, but, at the end of the day what you mean is that it’s not their main priority and that’s not “weird”.

So what you’re saying is that you don’t think steam has any interest in providing compatibility across various hardware?

You brought up bazzite like it and steam OS are the exact same thing. So you tell me what it has to do with bazzite.

In steam on windows the devices onboard controller actually works as intended. I dual boot so I’ve tested this extensively.

Your experience of “almost never” and my experience of “happens sometimes” create a null, my friend. This is what is called anecdotal evidence.

None of that anecdotal evidence (yours or mine) actually undermines the main point which is that bazzite started out telling users to install their skew of fedora at their own risk on hardware they didn’t directly provide a guide for. And that’s part of the fun of Linux for some people.

But there are a lot of people who don’t do PC gaming full stop specifically because they don’t want to fiddle with anything, they just want to play a game, and steam is courting those people. That’s my point. They don’t want to give those people a bad experience, and they are spending time attempting to make their experience as clean and positive as possible.

I wouldn’t consider this strange. Bazzite definitely has some downsides that involve tinkering to get things working on some hardware.

Valve is trying to deliver both a hardware product that just works, and a software product that just works without that tinkering. They’re trying to bring Linux to your mom who wants to play terraria and you uncle who plays overwatch with his kids. They want them to have an experience that’s console like in how easy/intuitive it is to use, without anything that’s finicky or confusing.

Every time I do an update on bazzite it breaks deckyloader for me and I have to go in and fix it. I’ve had to change controller type on bazzite to get certain games to work.

I have back buttons on my device that still don’t map reliably in bazzite. This is not the experience valve want their customers to have.

They’re shooting for a seamless experience.

Nah. The ROG Ally X they already make with windows 11 and 1 TB is $800+tax. The ROG Ally that came before it was $700 and currently sells for like $400 or so.

The 2TB Rog Ally X is about $1k + tax. I honestly doubt they can get people to pay more than that for a handheld, regardless of the Z2 chip. They are having trouble selling the ones they currently make. Add to this that Lenovo just launched the steam os variant of their newest handheld and it’s significantly cheaper.

I have Bazzite but for handhelds and I knew they did have some issues with input lag but couldn’t remember the specifics. Glad I could help and that you found a solution that works.

https://universal-blue.discourse.group/t/input-lag-while-gaming/5289

Someone else had a similar problem and their fix may help.

I’m not switching over from Bazzite. For my device the Bazzite support is still better at the moment from what I have read. But I am glad that Steam OS is coming to other handheld devices.

For what it’s worth I have a ROG Ally X with both Windows 11 Pro and Bazzite both installed. It came with Windows 11 Home but I upgraded windows to get more access to things like Group Policy Editor specifically so I could turn off pretty much everything MS put on it that I didn’t want. Local Account. No telemetry. No ads. No tacking. No copilot or AI. The only handheld that comes with Steam OS right now is the steam deck and the Legion Go S. All the others come with Windows.

For the purposes of using steam, windows isn’t inferior exactly but I don’t like it as much. Touchscreen support for Windows 11 (os-wise) is pretty poor in comparison to previous Windows distros like 10. You can limit but not completely prevent other processes from running in the background in windows. But once you launch steam big picture mode it’s basically the same. There’s very few functional differences (hardware things mostly that are handled by other apps like RGB lighting or fan curve and TPM and battery charge limits).

How windows performs is ultimately dependent on the hardware and that’s a lot of the reason that I can’t speak for how windows would perform on a lower specced device. I doubt windows on a steam deck would perform the same as steam os on a steam deck.

I opted for the ROG Ally X. A couple of things swayed me. My ability to hold it in store and the tech specs for future proofing were both reasons. But I never planned for this device to be a Windows only handheld. I specifically bought it for the few games I own that can’t run Linux and I run everything else in Bazzite. If it had come with Steam OS I likely still would have bought it and done a dual boot. I don’t think it’s fair to assume that people are buying non-steam handhelds just because they don’t want to deal with Linux. They likely have no idea what Linux has to offer and are going with what they can buy in store.

Yeah. I wasn’t really sure if this was the answer or not, just that I had seen a potential conversation asking similar questions or along the same lines, and others seemed to have had a take on this.

https://lemmy.world/comment/16545391