Researchers drove a NIO ES8 electric SUV deep into a Norwegian underground mine specifically to sever its external connections. The car kept attempting to reach servers, most of them located in China. These findings echo broader concerns about hidden data collection, similar to how a surveillance app was built to covertly target users without their knowledge.

That finding sits at the center of Project Lion Cage, a multi-year study initiated in 2022 by Tor Indstøy, a risk management and threat intelligence executive at Telenor Group. Indstøy purchased the NIO ES8 as a dedicated research platform.

The project arrives as Chinese EV brands expand across European markets with assurances about local data processing. Observed network behavior appears to contradict those assurances.

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    A couple things, you are absolutely correct about the hypocrisy. All modern major manufacturers are doing the same thing. Calling out China without mentioning this is definitely a disservice.

    On the invasion of privacy through spying, China is undoubtedly the worst followed by the US and Russia.

    When it comes international predations I think you are correct. The US is the worst. Russia next then Israel and China. France and Germany probably fit in here somewhere as well with the selling of arms around the world.

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      China is undoubtedly the worst followed by the US and Russia.

      I doubt it. Russia doesn’t have the infrastructure or the manpower to compete with a modern surveillance state. And the US doesn’t operate alone, it’s part of the Five Eyes network, including Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom. Nevermind NISRF.

      Part of what makes the US network horrifying is how many other countries are blithely along for the ride.

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      Your ranking is missing the top spot. Here is the revised list

      1. US corporations
      2. Chinese government
      3. US government …
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        I think the damage US corporations have done is truly unparalleled. When it comes to big tech China still pales in comparison in the Western world. That is until you consider Tik Tok, which is the most influential of social media for the under 30 market. Is Tik Tok really a bad influence or better or worse than something like Facebook is very debatable as well.

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          That is until you consider Tik Tok

          Wasn’t the big concern with TikTok entirely around how people were talking about the Palestine Genocide while US controlled social media had effectively blacked it out?

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            Lol probably, Tik Tok is also a lot different for the American audience. Things that would never be allowed in China, especially for young adults, are permitted in the US. Of course you could argue they are just doing what US companies do in the free for all that is social media.

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          I would argue that Tiktok would not have such an outsized effect if US corporations had not turned people into wage slaves.

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        It is a matter of opinion of course, but the amount of surveillance, firewalls, and censorship combined with the fact that it is mostly state sponsored really puts China in its own category.

        Certainly the US has caused much more overall harm on a global scale though.

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        They are, but only if you’re using their products and live there. China has a bigger hold on China.

        USA has a bigger hold globally, but spying to a slightly lesser degree.

        USA wants to catch up to China on the local level though, and are definitely trying hard. But they didn’t set up the camera infrastructure in time.

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      A couple things, you are absolutely correct about the hypocrisy. All modern major manufacturers are doing the same thing.

      and theres been tons of coverage about that, and how it can be used against you.

      To pretend theres radio silence on it, and this is all just being big mean to china is the real hypocrisy.