I am interested in politics, and even tho i am not a communist, i am interested in what can be learned from it and i also want to learn more about political ideologies as a whole, instead of speaking out of my ass whenever someone mentions communism and potentially say some bullshit. What do you think?

Edit: thanks for all the answers! I swear i read them all, i just don’t know how to answer to each of them, but thanks for all the recommendations!

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    Absolutely.

    Fundamentally, only reading about ideas that you already agree with is bad for you. You will learn less about your beliefs than if you had read something that challenges your beliefs.

    Let’s say you’re very pro-capitalist, and you want to know everything about capitalism, so you read Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations. Great! You learned some things about the historical basis of your beliefs, and there’s value in that. So then you read Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman. Okay! So you’re tripling down on the same ideas. You probably already know most of those ideas, though, right? There will be some new stuff, but ultimately it’s more of the same stuff you already know.

    So you try some more recent authors, and give a shrug to Ayn Rand, and you give Lions and Scavengers a shot. And maybe you pick up a new thing or two. But mostly, it’s the same ideas that you’re already familiar with.

    Do you know what none of these books have? An angle of critique (except Smith, sort of). They’re all just listing all of the good things about capitalism, and they’re not telling you the bad things. Do you believe that Capitalism is a perfect system to organize a nation’s economic policy, with no flaws? No? Then you should be interested in someone who elaborates on some of the negative aspects of capitalism, and what can be done to address those flaws, right? Because if there are flaws, you want to know what they are, so they can be fixed, right?

    That’s why you should read Das Kapital.

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    Yes, you should. Reading something doesn’t mean having to automatically agree with it, but it will broaden your perspective. Read it critically, engage with the arguments being made, and use them to test your own world view. See if the arguments make sense to you, and whether you have strong counter arguments of your own to the ones being made.

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    Honestly, I find almost everyone who reads the Manifesto and nothing else does not understand it at all. It relies on a lot of complicated ideas which it doesn’t go into detail on, and the popular English translation also has misleading translation errors. People who read it end up filling in the gaps with preconceptions that they have been primed to interpret it as from liberal society, and thus end up interpreting it in a silly way that is not how it was intended at all.

    It is better to start with lengthier, more in-depth works that try to actually build out their worldview, like Critique of the German Ideology, The Poverty of Philosophy, and Anti-Durhing.

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      For a one-and-done, while it’s no substitute to dedicated study of in-depth works, Socialism: Utopian and Scientific does a much better job than Manifesto at conveying diamat, histmat, and the underlying process of socialist construction in a digestible way quickly. That’s why Marx and Engels themselves noted how effective it was as an agitational pamphlet.

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    I feel like you should read anything that people find so polarizing and taboo. It’s short and its pretty dang hard to disagree with.

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    It’s good, it’s def on the list. You’ll be surprised by how moderate-seeming of Reforms it actually calls for, while being a revolutionary program.

    Also read "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, Wage Labor and Capital, and Critique of the Gotha Program. State and Revolution by Lenin and Reform or Revolution by Luxemburg are other great foundational works.

    This is a good theory foundation to begin reading socialist history books: Wretched of the Earth, Black Reconstruction in America, Hammer and Hoe, Black Jacobins, History of the German Revolution, History of the Russian Revolution, etc.,

    Also big recommendation for Ten Days that Shook the World by Jack Reed, it’s legit one of the most exciting books you’ll ever come across. It’s better than any action fiction book, and it’s just straight journalism of the actual October Russian revolution.

    If you like podcasts, Mike Duncan’s Revolutions podcast is pretty good, his last season on the Russian revolution is a good primer for the years prior to the 1917 revolutions, and the first fiveish episodes are pretty good historical and theoretical primers on various revolutionary movements and theorists. Season 10 episodes 2 and 3 are about Marx and Engels specifically, and I know lots of people who had their eyes opened to M&E by these episodes. I think Duncan ends the series on a sour note wrt Lenin that lacks real complexity and depth, but those early episodes are pretty good as an entry-point to Marx&Engels and socialist theory.

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    Absolutely. It’s short.

    Do note that most of how communism worked, on paper and in practice, originated later, though. Marx, a German who mostly lived in England, wrote the Manifesto in 1848 and died in 1883, while the revolution was in Russia in 1917. And there’s stuff in the manifesto that obviously didn’t age well, like the bit about the invention of trains leading to the end of nationalism.

    Still, it’s great historical perspective, and obviously inspired how the Soviet Union looked at things pretty heavily.

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    Whatever you think of Marx, it’s undeniable he has literary value. I’d say read him.

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    Yes. If I may, I would suggest “The origins of family and private property” from Engels. It’s not explicitly political, but I find it serves excellently for dissolving some biases towards historical conditions and how they shape the current affairs.

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      Yes, origin of the family is great. I read it as a teenager before any other socialist material and it was the first time in my life where I felt my worldview had been radically changed.

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      Thanks, i just got tired of people yelling “communist” at anyone who’s progressive in any way (probably a thing of the place i live in lol)

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        The manifesto of the communist party is not a huge theoretical foundational text.

        If you’re interested in marxist theory I would suggest reading modern Marxists like Slavoj Žižek. It’s much more useful than reading actual marxist theory which is pretty dry and whose ideas have been adopted by various disciplines such as economics, history and philosophy already so they might not be as new and interesting as they were in the 19th century.

        Maybe something like “Democracy in What State?” from 2011, you can just search for it on AA.

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        Yep, there’s definitely a concerted effort to muddy the waters of understanding. Cowbee is this corner of the internet’s resident tutor/mentor, so follow their suggestions if you’re interested in actually learning about and understanding socialism.

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    Even if you don’t agree with an ideology it’s always best to read it’s basis so you can accurately identify what you don’t agree with.

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    Yeah! Communism is one of the most important movements and ideologies in modern history. It has shaped the lives of everyone on the planet, whether you are one of billions living under socialism or in a state that represses labor movements. It’s one of the most read pieces of literature for a reason, and it’s a good idea to be informed of the demands communists aim for. Although it was a couple hundred years ago the demands are largely the same to this day, just slight modifications such as the 10 point plan of the black panther party

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    I’d say that Das Kapital is more useful. The manifesto was a specific call to arms for a specific time. It’s worth understanding as a historical note, but, it’s not really a theoretical work.

    Das Kapital, is a work about a theory of political economy and layed out the actual basis of Marxist theory.

    Everything else is sort of down stream of that. At least in regards to understanding what specific objections or concerns people in Marxist thought have.

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    Yep, that would be great! I think a good place to start would be this reading list I put together. You can just check out the first couple sections:


    1. Introduction [~1.5 hr]

    Before beginning your studies, it’s important to learn how to best economize our time, and why we should study Marxism-Leninism in the first place.

    1. General Rules for Independent Study - N. Krupskaya (1934)

    Webpage [~5 min]

    Written by one of the founding Bolsheviks for students in the early USSR, this is a concise guide on how to best absorb the information to come as efficiently as possible by Nadezhda Krupskaya.

    1. Why Socialism? - A. Einstein (1949)

    Webpage | Audiobook [~10 min / 22 min]

    Wanting to persuade his contemporaries to pursue a path of intentional development in order to avoid nuclear war and escape the profit motive, Einstein argues the case for moving onto a planned and collectivized economy over the chaos of markets and the profit motive.

    1. Why Marxism? - R. Day (2020)

    Webpage | Audiobook [~15 min / 21 min]

    Roderic Day makes his case for why now, in the 21st century, Marxism-Leninism remains the strongest tool for working-class liberation, and why we should defend the achievements of actually existing socialism despite their real flaws.

    1. “Tankies” - N. Frome (2020)

    Webpage | Audiobook [~5 min / 11 min]

    Marxist-Leninists do not believe Stalin, Mao, etc. did no wrong, nor do we believe actually existing socialist states (AES) to be perfect and free from criticism. Proper appraisal of the genuine achievements and genuine shortcomings of socialism in real life requires brushing away capitalist mythologizing. Once the fact is separated from fiction, only then can we hope to build on the successes of our predecessors while avoiding repeating mistakes.

    1. US Interventionism, the Third World, and the USSR - M. Parenti (1986)

    Webpage Transcription of Speech | Original Speech [~1 hr / 1 hr 33 min]

    Dr. Michael Parenti delivers perhaps his most famous speech, discussing the predatory role of the US Empire and the progressive role played by socialist countries, including the necessary mechanisms of protection they develop against western imperialism.

    1. Why do we Have to Study Theory? - Ho Chi Minh (1957)

    Webpage [~10 min]

    As a hugely successful revolutionary, Ho Chi Minh explains why it is not enough to have good intentions, we must do our best to study revolutionary theory to guide revolutionary practice.

    Checkpoint

    • Why do you want to study Marxism-Leninism?

    • How can it be helpful in your present life?

    • Why should we establish a socialist society?


    2. Fundamentals [~2.5 hr]

    To start off your studies, a clear understanding of basic terminology, as well as the historical context that gave rise to Marxism, is necessary.

    1. Principles of Communism - F. Engels (1847)

    Webpage/.epub | Audiobook [~30 min /48 min]

    A glossary of terms and background information, in an FAQ format.

    1. Karl Marx: A Brief Biographical Sketch with an Exposition of Marxism - V.I. Lenin (1914)

    Webpage | Audiobook [~1 hr / 1hr 28 min]

    Lenin, as a part of his rigorous studies of Marx and his writings for application in the conditions particular to his contemporary conditions, came to know and understand Marx and his ideology at a deeper level.

    1. The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism - V.I. Lenin (1913)

    Webpage | Audiobook [~5 min / 18 min]

    Outlaying the 3 major components of Marxism, and a short history of how they came to be.

    1. Manifesto of the Communist Party - K. Marx & F. Engels (1848)

    Webpage | Audiobook [~1hr / 1 hr 35 min]

    Marx & Engels call the international proletariat to action using the in this overview of the aims of the communists.

    Checkpoint

    • What historical context gave rise to Marxism?

    • What are the 3 major components of Marxism?

    • In your country, what does the class makeup of society look like? Which can be aligned with the proletariat? Which cannot?


    Of course, I recommend the whole thing. Alternatively, Prolewiki’s Marxism portal contains a fantastic short list of articles that help explain the absolute basics quickly.

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        No problem! Feel free to leave any comments or questions you may have if you choose the reading list option. The Marxism portal approach should take around an hour for the whole thing (minus the mini reading list it also recommends) so that’s also helpful if you just want to know the basics.