• Photonic@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    Nope, that’s being too nice to Russia. They definitely need to pay massive reparations to Ukraine.

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      11 days ago

      Putin won’t agree to reparations. A proposal has to be offered that Putin could accept.

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        11 days ago

        It’s not just about Putin. It’s also about the precedent you create by letting Russia go Scot-free.

        What’s going to stop him from rebuilding his army and doing it again if there are no consequences? What message does it convey to other bad actors?

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          We don’t force enough bad actors to pay reparations. And war criminals get off scot free as long as they’re from a certain set of nations.

          I also agree 100%, and this post is not meant to be a whataboutism. Just because some criminals get away with it doesn’t mean others should.

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            That precedent has already been set decades ago, unfortunately. We do need to address that one too, but that is going to be a much harder challenge.

            But in the meantime, let’s not set any new ones. The world is in a poor enough state as it is.

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          There are consequences. He loses all the land he took in the 2022 invasion. The European Alliance will stop future invasions.

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            10 days ago

            What about Taiwan and Cuba? If Russia has basically no externally enforced consequences, China and the US will start looking at their backyards a little differently

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              But there are consequences. In my proposal, Russia must withdraw from all land it seized after the 2022 invasion.

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                Then there are no consequences for annexing Crimea in 2014, which sets a worrisome precedent for Taiwan and Cuba (and of course, former SSRs all over Eurasia).

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                  Putin will not give up Crimea. An article was posted today in this community about Ukrainians troops deserting. Both sides are exhausted. The war must end now.

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                    9 days ago

                    Zelenskyy will not give up Crimea either, because his country’s constitution does not give him the power to. They’d both give up their lives if they gave up Crimea, but Putin is a) only driven by personal vanity and a desire to return the nation to 35 year old glory, while Zelenskyy is driven by a sense of justice and national pride rooted in something recently stolen from the country; and b) in a much worse position to survive the bad PR of continuing the war: it might not be Putin who ends the war, but Russia will not continue fighting for long.