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    11 days ago

    There are consequences. He loses all the land he took in the 2022 invasion. The European Alliance will stop future invasions.

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      10 days ago

      What about Taiwan and Cuba? If Russia has basically no externally enforced consequences, China and the US will start looking at their backyards a little differently

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        9 days ago

        But there are consequences. In my proposal, Russia must withdraw from all land it seized after the 2022 invasion.

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          9 days ago

          Then there are no consequences for annexing Crimea in 2014, which sets a worrisome precedent for Taiwan and Cuba (and of course, former SSRs all over Eurasia).

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            9 days ago

            Putin will not give up Crimea. An article was posted today in this community about Ukrainians troops deserting. Both sides are exhausted. The war must end now.

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              9 days ago

              Zelenskyy will not give up Crimea either, because his country’s constitution does not give him the power to. They’d both give up their lives if they gave up Crimea, but Putin is a) only driven by personal vanity and a desire to return the nation to 35 year old glory, while Zelenskyy is driven by a sense of justice and national pride rooted in something recently stolen from the country; and b) in a much worse position to survive the bad PR of continuing the war: it might not be Putin who ends the war, but Russia will not continue fighting for long.

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                8 days ago

                Both sides are exhausted. The Ukrainian government will be willing to cede land taken before the 2022 invasion in exchange for peace.

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                  8 days ago

                  I think the Russian people will more willingly give up the potential of gained territory than the Ukrainian people will give up part of their land, tbh. Putin was incredibly popular for many years (decades, even), but the cost of living in Russia is insane, and with gas shortages and bombings all over the countryside have dulled his shine.

                  Maybe I’m wrong, but I hope not. Invaders shouldn’t get to keep territory just because anymore. I’d be fine with giving each currently contested oblast in Ukraine an independence vote afterwards, but that should be independent of the peace process and if they were to join Russia, Ukrainian oblasts would be equally subject to reparations payments as the rest of Russia.

                  If Ukraine had invaded Russia and annexed its territory, I’d want Ukraine to cede its acquired territory and pay reparations, too, but they didn’t. The only thing they did to provoke this was to edge closer to Europe, which is certainly their right as a sovereign state.