Yeah, so you’re confusing the Kingdom of Israel, which is mentioned in Assyrian records, on the Moabite Stone, etc., etc.
The land was Egyptian before Jewish. So they have a more ancient right over that land. Maybe Syrians before them.
Yup. Which just highlights how stupid the whole “someone has the right to a territory because of [historical reasons]” is.
Reality is super simple: the right to a territory belongs to those who can obtain that territory and hold it. That’s how it always worked throughout history, even if we’re now trying to sugarcoat things by pretending that’s not the case. If russia didn’t fumble the full-scale war with Ukraine as bad as they had, and if Ukraine didn’t receive the support they did, within the next 5-10 years nobody would be talking about “occupied Ukraine”, it’d be just “russia”.
Poland moved a couple hundred kilometers to the west after the Second World War, Germany’s borders are completely different than they used to be, Great Britain lost its colonies - nobody gives a fuck about any “ancient right”, it’s literally only about power (both in terms of military capability, as well as diplomatic ability to negotiate and resolve conflicts).
And with that out of the way, the reality is this: Palestine received a nation state in the exact same UN resolution that created Israel. One has the exact same right to exist as the other - their diplomatic effort gave them these nations and that’s that.
What now needs to happen is for the UN to actually enforce its mandates by securing the borders at least as long as it takes Palestine to rebuild.
Israel in its present avatar didn’t exist before the British have it to Europeans. The land was taken from Arabs who were living under the Ottoman rules. There were Jews living there but were a minority.
Europeans just exported their problems elsewhere and are now propping it up.
Palestine received a nation state in the exact same UN resolution that created Israel. One has the exact same right to exist as the other - their diplomatic effort gave them these nations and that’s that.
Yet it allowed for the theocratic colony of Israel to continue is genocide.
The only way to ensure peace in Middle East is for Israel to not exist and all the Europeans go back to their own countries.
Yeah, except the word changed to Palestinians. Some converted to Christianity, most converted to Islam, and plenty of ethnic mixing happened between the beginning of the diaspora and the nakhba, on both sides.
Yup! And since both nations want independence, why would only one be allowed to have it?
The problem is that the world has been completely blind to the crimes Israel has been committing, slowly encroaching on Palestinian land.
What needs to happen is the removal of current heads of Israeli state, ideally by execution for all the crimes against humanity they committed, a new democratic election on both sides of the fence (reminder: Palestinians enjoyed their last election in 2008 when Hamas took over and installed religious dictatorship), and then the establishment of a UN-coordinated force, ideally culturally neutral (like Japan/China/Korea) to ensure that the borders are respected.
Which is which? Palestinians didn’t exist as a nation (it was “the region of Palestine”, not a country) until the exact same UN resolution that created Israel. Which, fun fact, does have historical records of existence in the region… So? Which ones are the settlers?
Israelis lived in that area for at least 3000 years.
European Jews didn’t, don’t quote religious books or Persians, Egyptian have more rights over that region than Jews.
Religious books…? Are you confusing the Kingdom of Israel with the biblical “United Kingdom of Israel”?
The existence of Kingdom of Israel is an ongoing academic debate and has no connection to the current Israel if at all they existed.
The land was Egyptian before Jewish. So they have a more ancient right over that land. Maybe Syrians before them.
Yeah, so you’re confusing the Kingdom of Israel, which is mentioned in Assyrian records, on the Moabite Stone, etc., etc.
Yup. Which just highlights how stupid the whole “someone has the right to a territory because of [historical reasons]” is.
Reality is super simple: the right to a territory belongs to those who can obtain that territory and hold it. That’s how it always worked throughout history, even if we’re now trying to sugarcoat things by pretending that’s not the case. If russia didn’t fumble the full-scale war with Ukraine as bad as they had, and if Ukraine didn’t receive the support they did, within the next 5-10 years nobody would be talking about “occupied Ukraine”, it’d be just “russia”.
Poland moved a couple hundred kilometers to the west after the Second World War, Germany’s borders are completely different than they used to be, Great Britain lost its colonies - nobody gives a fuck about any “ancient right”, it’s literally only about power (both in terms of military capability, as well as diplomatic ability to negotiate and resolve conflicts).
And with that out of the way, the reality is this: Palestine received a nation state in the exact same UN resolution that created Israel. One has the exact same right to exist as the other - their diplomatic effort gave them these nations and that’s that.
What now needs to happen is for the UN to actually enforce its mandates by securing the borders at least as long as it takes Palestine to rebuild.
Israel in its present avatar didn’t exist before the British have it to Europeans. The land was taken from Arabs who were living under the Ottoman rules. There were Jews living there but were a minority.
Europeans just exported their problems elsewhere and are now propping it up.
Yet it allowed for the theocratic colony of Israel to continue is genocide.
The only way to ensure peace in Middle East is for Israel to not exist and all the Europeans go back to their own countries.
Yeah, except the word changed to Palestinians. Some converted to Christianity, most converted to Islam, and plenty of ethnic mixing happened between the beginning of the diaspora and the nakhba, on both sides.
Yup! And since both nations want independence, why would only one be allowed to have it?
The problem is that the world has been completely blind to the crimes Israel has been committing, slowly encroaching on Palestinian land.
What needs to happen is the removal of current heads of Israeli state, ideally by execution for all the crimes against humanity they committed, a new democratic election on both sides of the fence (reminder: Palestinians enjoyed their last election in 2008 when Hamas took over and installed religious dictatorship), and then the establishment of a UN-coordinated force, ideally culturally neutral (like Japan/China/Korea) to ensure that the borders are respected.
One is a nation other is a settler colony.
Which is which? Palestinians didn’t exist as a nation (it was “the region of Palestine”, not a country) until the exact same UN resolution that created Israel. Which, fun fact, does have historical records of existence in the region… So? Which ones are the settlers?
European Jews are the settlers.