• reddit_sux@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    So now they have the right to displace the people who are living there, genocide them.

    What’s the cut-off number of generations where you can no longer call something your home, when your ancestors were forcefully kicked out?

    So by your logic, US should give the land back to the native Americans. Or does might makes right.

    also, we’re conveniently forgetting about the 100-300k Israelis/Jews that remained in current-day Israel and the Region of Palestine throughout those generations

    They are not the genocidal maniacs. They have right to stay just as the Palestinians.

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      16 hours ago

      So now they have the right to displace the people who are living there

      They started off fully mixed, but that didn’t work, and both parties involved are to blame here. The clear solution was to separate them, yes.

      genocide them

      No. Where did that come from…?

      So by your logic, US should give the land back to the native Americans. Or does might makes right.

      See, that’s the thing - by my logic, all the “historically this land was XYZ” is bullshit, and the only actual right to hold land comes from either diplomatic or military power. That’s how it always worked throughout history and only nationalist/genocidal maniacs ever talk about “historical rights”, everyone else just moves on.

      Palestine AND Israel have the right to their own nation, and they both managed to achieve that through diplomacy. Later, Israel kept its land through military power, even when attacked by literally every country it shared borders with.

      They are not the genocidal maniacs. They have right to stay just as the Palestinians

      You might be surprised, but most Israelis aren’t. In fact, most Israelis want to get rid of Netanyahu and his clique.

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        15 hours ago

        all the “historically this land was XYZ” is bullshit

        Agreed the claim of Europeans on land of Palestine is bullshit. Zionists achieved the land by force and have only expanded like a cancer.

        but most Israelis aren’t. In fact, most Israelis want to get rid of Netanyahu and his clique.

        I don’t think 35% of the population would be considered as most.

        https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-10/ty-article/.premium/64-of-israelis-see-no-need-for-more-reporting-on-gazans-sufferings/00000197-59e8-deed-a9bf-5def9d770000

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          15 hours ago

          Agreed the claim of Europeans on land of Palestine is bullshit.

          Who are you replying to? This is basically the exact opposite of what I wrote.

          Zionists achieved the land by force and have only expanded like a cancer.

          First gained by diplomacy, then by force. Unless you can kick them out (you can’t) there’s nothing you can do about it.

          Two methods of handling the situation: the Palestinian method (“let’s chuck rockets at them non-stop, and then cry when they retaliate with overwhelming force”) or the Egyptian and Jordanian method (“fuck it, let’s just have civil relations, verging on an alliance”).

          You people keep saying that it’s impossible to have peace with Israel - Jordan and Egypt seem to disagree. Shit, Jordan was actively shooting down Iranian missiles when Israel was under attack!

          I don’t think 35% of the population would be considered as most.

          Yeah, if you take statistics about something completely different than what we’re talking about, you can get that kind of number, true. Here’s something relevant, however: Likud has around 20% in election polls.

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            15 hours ago

            This is basically the exact opposite of what I wrote.

            That is the only claim European Jews have on the land of Palestine.

            • Alaknár@sopuli.xyz
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              15 hours ago

              Well, by that token, Palestinians have zero claim on the land, since there was never such a concept as “the Palestinian Nation” before around 1920.