Yeah, so you’re confusing the Kingdom of Israel, which is mentioned in Assyrian records, on the Moabite Stone, etc., etc.
The land was Egyptian before Jewish. So they have a more ancient right over that land. Maybe Syrians before them.
Yup. Which just highlights how stupid the whole “someone has the right to a territory because of [historical reasons]” is.
Reality is super simple: the right to a territory belongs to those who can obtain that territory and hold it. That’s how it always worked throughout history, even if we’re now trying to sugarcoat things by pretending that’s not the case. If russia didn’t fumble the full-scale war with Ukraine as bad as they had, and if Ukraine didn’t receive the support they did, within the next 5-10 years nobody would be talking about “occupied Ukraine”, it’d be just “russia”.
Poland moved a couple hundred kilometers to the west after the Second World War, Germany’s borders are completely different than they used to be, Great Britain lost its colonies - nobody gives a fuck about any “ancient right”, it’s literally only about power (both in terms of military capability, as well as diplomatic ability to negotiate and resolve conflicts).
And with that out of the way, the reality is this: Palestine received a nation state in the exact same UN resolution that created Israel. One has the exact same right to exist as the other - their diplomatic effort gave them these nations and that’s that.
What now needs to happen is for the UN to actually enforce its mandates by securing the borders at least as long as it takes Palestine to rebuild.
Israel in its present avatar didn’t exist before the British have it to Europeans. The land was taken from Arabs who were living under the Ottoman rules. There were Jews living there but were a minority.
Europeans just exported their problems elsewhere and are now propping it up.
Palestine received a nation state in the exact same UN resolution that created Israel. One has the exact same right to exist as the other - their diplomatic effort gave them these nations and that’s that.
Yet it allowed for the theocratic colony of Israel to continue is genocide.
The only way to ensure peace in Middle East is for Israel to not exist and all the Europeans go back to their own countries.
Yeah, so you’re confusing the Kingdom of Israel, which is mentioned in Assyrian records, on the Moabite Stone, etc., etc.
Yup. Which just highlights how stupid the whole “someone has the right to a territory because of [historical reasons]” is.
Reality is super simple: the right to a territory belongs to those who can obtain that territory and hold it. That’s how it always worked throughout history, even if we’re now trying to sugarcoat things by pretending that’s not the case. If russia didn’t fumble the full-scale war with Ukraine as bad as they had, and if Ukraine didn’t receive the support they did, within the next 5-10 years nobody would be talking about “occupied Ukraine”, it’d be just “russia”.
Poland moved a couple hundred kilometers to the west after the Second World War, Germany’s borders are completely different than they used to be, Great Britain lost its colonies - nobody gives a fuck about any “ancient right”, it’s literally only about power (both in terms of military capability, as well as diplomatic ability to negotiate and resolve conflicts).
And with that out of the way, the reality is this: Palestine received a nation state in the exact same UN resolution that created Israel. One has the exact same right to exist as the other - their diplomatic effort gave them these nations and that’s that.
What now needs to happen is for the UN to actually enforce its mandates by securing the borders at least as long as it takes Palestine to rebuild.
Israel in its present avatar didn’t exist before the British have it to Europeans. The land was taken from Arabs who were living under the Ottoman rules. There were Jews living there but were a minority.
Europeans just exported their problems elsewhere and are now propping it up.
Yet it allowed for the theocratic colony of Israel to continue is genocide.
The only way to ensure peace in Middle East is for Israel to not exist and all the Europeans go back to their own countries.