Still curious why servers deserve the ire for the practices of their boss and government, and why they should be the only ones hurt in the protest of these practices.
Why not bitch at the restaurant owners and government making the decisions, rather than making the servers being victimized and exploited by that system take the brunt of the effects? Why are all the complaints about tips, not tax, even though that is the exact same and on the exact same receipt?
It still seems a might selfish to me to make the poorest worker in the chain who made 0% of these decisions the bad guy, still go to the restaurant he works at and make him work for you for free against his will, not tip him, and get mad about his boss being a dick as if it is his fault at all,all because adding 20% yourself is hard. What’s next, you gonna blame your server for the food prices and state sales tax too? Gonna get mad at your bartender because the bar doesn’t stock blue curacao? It makes no sense, get mad at the guy making the decisions and stop supporting him, otherwise you’re just a dick using fake moral superiority for a 20% discount.
And still, if I go to your country it is my responsibility to learn and respect your local customs, example still Japan where tipping is rude, there’s no difference here beyond it being the opposite direction.
I think a little cultural awakening is happening thanks to the world Cup
I loved the answer to a question posed somewhere about the amount of Dutch people in the streets of Houston, someone wondered how they all got here on such short notice
The winning comment on that post was another example of why Americans are ill equipped to even begin to grow an inkling of understanding (note the lack of ire here)
Europeans have 5 weeks of holiday, their arrivals were more spread out
… Waking up yet?
Or should they have all come at once in order to not disturb the fragile American ecosystem as well
If by cultural awakening you mean “servers are going to hate you for not tipping” then congratulations, because that’s all you’re gonna get by supporting the exploitative business. It’s like yelling at an Amazon worker they work for a bad company when they just need to feed their family all while still supporting Amazon monetarily by using their services, you’re not helping as much as you think. Somehow everyone gets this and many boycott Amazon but instead of inconveniencing yourself for this one you just get mad at the lowest person on the totem pole and still support it.
Great for the Dutch. Those servers you’re stiffing don’t get any vacation and are only given enough hours to keep them a part time employee specifically so they don’t get benefits, and you feel good about stiffing them because of your moral high ground? Ooooook.
The blame is on the customer for supporting exploitative businesses with their money, doubly so if they also don’t tip.
This of course doesn’t absolve the boss, but fact of the matter is he doesn’t care if the worker gets tipped, he gets his when you pay the menu price, and if you don’t tip fuck the both of you, if you do then fuck my boss but you’re cool.
It’s like supporting Amazon monetarily and also railing against their unfair treatment of workers, either stop buying from Amazon or you don’t actually care.
It’s an objective question so anyone offering opinion is automatically disqualified
Just be honest about it
I get how people feel about it
But I want to get this discussion done with
We are Europoors, everywhere Americans voice an opinion. Then why expect us all to adhere to cultural standards as guests during an event for a sport you all claim not to watch anyway.
Oh and Americans aren’t supposed to learn how to act when they visit wherever you’re from? You’re absolutely fine with Americans being loud or whatever, no Euros ever whine about how Americans act? Give me a break, we learned it from watching you lol. (Side note, like that streamer that recently went to SK and did his dumb prank youtube videos but they don’t play that shit so he got his ass kicked and put in jail, he deserved it, I laughed at him.) Why do we get called out for not learning your culture but you can’t here?
Actually I’ve repeatedly used it as an example in this thread, if I go to Japan it is my responsibility to learn and abide by their custom where tipping is an insult, I shouldn’t force it just because “that’s my culture back home,” I should respect the culture I’m visiting. Same but opposite here.
“For a sport you claim not to watch” y’know what good point, IDGAF about association football, and you’re gonna come in here, make my restaurant busy and my boss a lot of money running me ragged all night AND not tip me? I’m gonna hate you more.
Why whine about not being able to afford rent this month because a bunch of selfish dickheads took all the tables that could have actually made me money instead of making me work for free? Gee idk why would anyone whine about it, homelessness is just like camping anyway, it’s fun really. (Can you feel the sarcasm radiating through your screen?)
Good to know, thanks!
Still curious why servers deserve the ire for the practices of their boss and government, and why they should be the only ones hurt in the protest of these practices.
Why not bitch at the restaurant owners and government making the decisions, rather than making the servers being victimized and exploited by that system take the brunt of the effects? Why are all the complaints about tips, not tax, even though that is the exact same and on the exact same receipt?
It still seems a might selfish to me to make the poorest worker in the chain who made 0% of these decisions the bad guy, still go to the restaurant he works at and make him work for you for free against his will, not tip him, and get mad about his boss being a dick as if it is his fault at all, all because adding 20% yourself is hard. What’s next, you gonna blame your server for the food prices and state sales tax too? Gonna get mad at your bartender because the bar doesn’t stock blue curacao? It makes no sense, get mad at the guy making the decisions and stop supporting him, otherwise you’re just a dick using fake moral superiority for a 20% discount.
And still, if I go to your country it is my responsibility to learn and respect your local customs, example still Japan where tipping is rude, there’s no difference here beyond it being the opposite direction.
It’s not ire, it’s enforcing logic
I think a little cultural awakening is happening thanks to the world Cup
I loved the answer to a question posed somewhere about the amount of Dutch people in the streets of Houston, someone wondered how they all got here on such short notice
The winning comment on that post was another example of why Americans are ill equipped to even begin to grow an inkling of understanding (note the lack of ire here)
Europeans have 5 weeks of holiday, their arrivals were more spread out
… Waking up yet?
Or should they have all come at once in order to not disturb the fragile American ecosystem as well
If by cultural awakening you mean “servers are going to hate you for not tipping” then congratulations, because that’s all you’re gonna get by supporting the exploitative business. It’s like yelling at an Amazon worker they work for a bad company when they just need to feed their family all while still supporting Amazon monetarily by using their services, you’re not helping as much as you think. Somehow everyone gets this and many boycott Amazon but instead of inconveniencing yourself for this one you just get mad at the lowest person on the totem pole and still support it.
Great for the Dutch. Those servers you’re stiffing don’t get any vacation and are only given enough hours to keep them a part time employee specifically so they don’t get benefits, and you feel good about stiffing them because of your moral high ground? Ooooook.
Not moral high ground
Let me ask you this: is tipping obligatory?
What blaim is on these customers, exactly?
Depends on who you ask.
If you ask the boss? No.
If you ask the employee? Yes.
I wonder why that discrepancy exists…
The blame is on the customer for supporting exploitative businesses with their money, doubly so if they also don’t tip.
This of course doesn’t absolve the boss, but fact of the matter is he doesn’t care if the worker gets tipped, he gets his when you pay the menu price, and if you don’t tip fuck the both of you, if you do then fuck my boss but you’re cool.
It’s like supporting Amazon monetarily and also railing against their unfair treatment of workers, either stop buying from Amazon or you don’t actually care.
It’s a closed question. Yes or no.
Turns out since there’s more than one person involved you may get a different answer from each depending on perspective.
Two people are standing at opposite ends of a shape, one says it is a 6, the other says it is a 9.
It’s an objective question so anyone offering opinion is automatically disqualified
Just be honest about it
I get how people feel about it
But I want to get this discussion done with
We are Europoors, everywhere Americans voice an opinion. Then why expect us all to adhere to cultural standards as guests during an event for a sport you all claim not to watch anyway.
The answer is obvious.
It is not at all obligatory.
So why whine about it?
Oh and Americans aren’t supposed to learn how to act when they visit wherever you’re from? You’re absolutely fine with Americans being loud or whatever, no Euros ever whine about how Americans act? Give me a break, we learned it from watching you lol. (Side note, like that streamer that recently went to SK and did his dumb prank youtube videos but they don’t play that shit so he got his ass kicked and put in jail, he deserved it, I laughed at him.) Why do we get called out for not learning your culture but you can’t here?
Actually I’ve repeatedly used it as an example in this thread, if I go to Japan it is my responsibility to learn and abide by their custom where tipping is an insult, I shouldn’t force it just because “that’s my culture back home,” I should respect the culture I’m visiting. Same but opposite here.
“For a sport you claim not to watch” y’know what good point, IDGAF about association football, and you’re gonna come in here, make my restaurant busy and my boss a lot of money running me ragged all night AND not tip me? I’m gonna hate you more.
Why whine about not being able to afford rent this month because a bunch of selfish dickheads took all the tables that could have actually made me money instead of making me work for free? Gee idk why would anyone whine about it, homelessness is just like camping anyway, it’s fun really. (Can you feel the sarcasm radiating through your screen?)