You’re cool lmao, those others are selfish pricks without a real argument who want a discount. They’re one step off from the people who make fake complaints to get free food but for some reason don’t want to return the “mistake” (it wasn’t a mistake, they want free food, they think I can’t remember 30 whole minutes ago but turns out I’m not a goldfish). You actually had something to add, not only is that “fine” but I like it!
Now, I do actually agree with you, but also functionally everyone here knows “burger $9.99” includes neither tax nor tip, so it is actually $9.99+10%tax+20%tip.
I’m not saying I’d be mad if we changed the menus to reflect those additional charges, but as it stands we don’t and as evidenced by this thread, whether the world agrees or not they know that is the custom. As such claims of false advertising are tenuous at best, you knew going in, and we know you knew, being a gaijin/n’wah is no excuse (at least after let’s say two days and two purchases).
For instance, though I’ve never been I know tipping is seen as rude in Japan, as such if I ever did get to visit (too poor, and that’s another thing if you can afford to travel like that you’re doing better than EVERY server so help them out like you would the homeless, they’re close enough to homeless as is), I wouldn’t be attempting to shove my American custom of tipping the workers onto them. Literally “same but reverse” here.
You’re right, it is in a sense “false advertising,” but still there’s not really a functional difference since everyone knows (or once they learn upon their first purchase if they didn’t, I suppose).
Idk how EU countries handle sales tax though, is it actually included on the sticker price like they do in New Hampshire, or should they be more used to this concept than they are letting on?
Yeah, what I’m saying is that I don’t want to be nickle and dimed, because it makes me feel like a victim of deceptive marketing.
No matter how strongly you know that your $9.99 burger is actually $14.00 (or more because tipping on the machine is often calculated after tax), psychological studies show that $9.99 tends to subconsciously mean “under $10” to people…and to services like Google Maps.
We’ve created this culture that it’s okay to subconsciously deceive the customer to extract an extra $0.01 (or $1.00) out of every purchase…and an extra 10%…and an extra 20% if it’s at a restaurant.
People who set a price limit for themselves of $20 will gladly go into a restaurant and buy something that’s $19.99 and feel like they’ve stayed within their budget.
This is the problem. I don’t like living somewhere where “buy a meal for under $10!” means I need to spend at least $15.
Yeah, not in the US. Here if it says $19.99 for anything anywhere you know that’s not including tax, because that is how it works here.
We can talk about how it should be all day and we likely agree, the difference is that you refuse to recognize what is, and think hurting the worker by not tipping but making them serve you for free (instead of boycotting exploitative businesses entirely) is the answer.
You’ve got the wrong person. I tip, and probably too much.
I don’t want tipping to end because I expect to pay less. I want it to end because it’s inherently deceptive to the customer. As is tax not being included in the sticker price.
those others are selfish pricks without a real argument who want a discount.
Lmao that’s not at all the problem and you’re here in bad faith if you act like you believe that it is. I just want servers to be paid a fair wage (minimum wage at the very least but the problems with minimum wage are an entirely different conversation) and not be expected to pay a multimillion dollar company’s employees for them
Not how it works, the employer goes “sucks don’t it?” And then when you get fed up enough to leave they hire another person who is about a week away from homelessness to continue the cycle. Your naivety is astounding.
It’s called VAT and its included in the price. Companies get taxed on category specific things and upcharge the base. We see what we pay here. In fact there are laws about price as well, if the price at the till differs from the shown price on the pricecard/tag they must sell it at the price shown or risk fines
Beware though, buy it first then go service desk for refunds
If you complain in store or at the register they run out and fix the tag
Still curious why servers deserve the ire for the practices of their boss and government, and why they should be the only ones hurt in the protest of these practices.
Why not bitch at the restaurant owners and government making the decisions, rather than making the servers being victimized and exploited by that system take the brunt of the effects? Why are all the complaints about tips, not tax, even though that is the exact same and on the exact same receipt?
It still seems a might selfish to me to make the poorest worker in the chain who made 0% of these decisions the bad guy, still go to the restaurant he works at and make him work for you for free against his will, not tip him, and get mad about his boss being a dick as if it is his fault at all,all because adding 20% yourself is hard. What’s next, you gonna blame your server for the food prices and state sales tax too? Gonna get mad at your bartender because the bar doesn’t stock blue curacao? It makes no sense, get mad at the guy making the decisions and stop supporting him, otherwise you’re just a dick using fake moral superiority for a 20% discount.
And still, if I go to your country it is my responsibility to learn and respect your local customs, example still Japan where tipping is rude, there’s no difference here beyond it being the opposite direction.
I think a little cultural awakening is happening thanks to the world Cup
I loved the answer to a question posed somewhere about the amount of Dutch people in the streets of Houston, someone wondered how they all got here on such short notice
The winning comment on that post was another example of why Americans are ill equipped to even begin to grow an inkling of understanding (note the lack of ire here)
Europeans have 5 weeks of holiday, their arrivals were more spread out
… Waking up yet?
Or should they have all come at once in order to not disturb the fragile American ecosystem as well
If by cultural awakening you mean “servers are going to hate you for not tipping” then congratulations, because that’s all you’re gonna get by supporting the exploitative business. It’s like yelling at an Amazon worker they work for a bad company when they just need to feed their family all while still supporting Amazon monetarily by using their services, you’re not helping as much as you think. Somehow everyone gets this and many boycott Amazon but instead of inconveniencing yourself for this one you just get mad at the lowest person on the totem pole and still support it.
Great for the Dutch. Those servers you’re stiffing don’t get any vacation and are only given enough hours to keep them a part time employee specifically so they don’t get benefits, and you feel good about stiffing them because of your moral high ground? Ooooook.
The blame is on the customer for supporting exploitative businesses with their money, doubly so if they also don’t tip.
This of course doesn’t absolve the boss, but fact of the matter is he doesn’t care if the worker gets tipped, he gets his when you pay the menu price, and if you don’t tip fuck the both of you, if you do then fuck my boss but you’re cool.
It’s like supporting Amazon monetarily and also railing against their unfair treatment of workers, either stop buying from Amazon or you don’t actually care.
You’re cool lmao, those others are selfish pricks without a real argument who want a discount. They’re one step off from the people who make fake complaints to get free food but for some reason don’t want to return the “mistake” (it wasn’t a mistake, they want free food, they think I can’t remember 30 whole minutes ago but turns out I’m not a goldfish). You actually had something to add, not only is that “fine” but I like it!
Now, I do actually agree with you, but also functionally everyone here knows “burger $9.99” includes neither tax nor tip, so it is actually $9.99+10%tax+20%tip.
I’m not saying I’d be mad if we changed the menus to reflect those additional charges, but as it stands we don’t and as evidenced by this thread, whether the world agrees or not they know that is the custom. As such claims of false advertising are tenuous at best, you knew going in, and we know you knew, being a gaijin/n’wah is no excuse (at least after let’s say two days and two purchases).
For instance, though I’ve never been I know tipping is seen as rude in Japan, as such if I ever did get to visit (too poor, and that’s another thing if you can afford to travel like that you’re doing better than EVERY server so help them out like you would the homeless, they’re close enough to homeless as is), I wouldn’t be attempting to shove my American custom of tipping the workers onto them. Literally “same but reverse” here.
You’re right, it is in a sense “false advertising,” but still there’s not really a functional difference since everyone knows (or once they learn upon their first purchase if they didn’t, I suppose).
Idk how EU countries handle sales tax though, is it actually included on the sticker price like they do in New Hampshire, or should they be more used to this concept than they are letting on?
Yeah, what I’m saying is that I don’t want to be nickle and dimed, because it makes me feel like a victim of deceptive marketing.
No matter how strongly you know that your $9.99 burger is actually $14.00 (or more because tipping on the machine is often calculated after tax), psychological studies show that $9.99 tends to subconsciously mean “under $10” to people…and to services like Google Maps.
We’ve created this culture that it’s okay to subconsciously deceive the customer to extract an extra $0.01 (or $1.00) out of every purchase…and an extra 10%…and an extra 20% if it’s at a restaurant.
People who set a price limit for themselves of $20 will gladly go into a restaurant and buy something that’s $19.99 and feel like they’ve stayed within their budget.
This is the problem. I don’t like living somewhere where “buy a meal for under $10!” means I need to spend at least $15.
Yeah, not in the US. Here if it says $19.99 for anything anywhere you know that’s not including tax, because that is how it works here.
We can talk about how it should be all day and we likely agree, the difference is that you refuse to recognize what is, and think hurting the worker by not tipping but making them serve you for free (instead of boycotting exploitative businesses entirely) is the answer.
Just don’t go. That’s it, it’s that simple.
You’ve got the wrong person. I tip, and probably too much.
I don’t want tipping to end because I expect to pay less. I want it to end because it’s inherently deceptive to the customer. As is tax not being included in the sticker price.
Sorry, either that was for one of the other 40 of you or it was meant to be the royal “you,” depending. And I’m not going back to figure out which.
But that’s good that you do (if you go places that require it).
Sure, I’m all for it, my arguments are varied about the 40 of you but the jist is as follows:
(For context in this one I definitely mean the royal “you,” not the “you” you. “You” you said you do tip lol.)
Lmao that’s not at all the problem and you’re here in bad faith if you act like you believe that it is. I just want servers to be paid a fair wage (minimum wage at the very least but the problems with minimum wage are an entirely different conversation) and not be expected to pay a multimillion dollar company’s employees for them
Sure, we both agree on what should be.
And we both know what is.
As it is, do you tip at restaurants where the servers rely on it? Do you stiff the worker? Do you not go at all?
Why would I want to keep a horrific system in place?
I don’t tip, so the employees can complain to their employer until they change it.
Not how it works, the employer goes “sucks don’t it?” And then when you get fed up enough to leave they hire another person who is about a week away from homelessness to continue the cycle. Your naivety is astounding.
It’s called VAT and its included in the price. Companies get taxed on category specific things and upcharge the base. We see what we pay here. In fact there are laws about price as well, if the price at the till differs from the shown price on the pricecard/tag they must sell it at the price shown or risk fines
Beware though, buy it first then go service desk for refunds
If you complain in store or at the register they run out and fix the tag
Good to know, thanks!
Still curious why servers deserve the ire for the practices of their boss and government, and why they should be the only ones hurt in the protest of these practices.
Why not bitch at the restaurant owners and government making the decisions, rather than making the servers being victimized and exploited by that system take the brunt of the effects? Why are all the complaints about tips, not tax, even though that is the exact same and on the exact same receipt?
It still seems a might selfish to me to make the poorest worker in the chain who made 0% of these decisions the bad guy, still go to the restaurant he works at and make him work for you for free against his will, not tip him, and get mad about his boss being a dick as if it is his fault at all, all because adding 20% yourself is hard. What’s next, you gonna blame your server for the food prices and state sales tax too? Gonna get mad at your bartender because the bar doesn’t stock blue curacao? It makes no sense, get mad at the guy making the decisions and stop supporting him, otherwise you’re just a dick using fake moral superiority for a 20% discount.
And still, if I go to your country it is my responsibility to learn and respect your local customs, example still Japan where tipping is rude, there’s no difference here beyond it being the opposite direction.
It’s not ire, it’s enforcing logic
I think a little cultural awakening is happening thanks to the world Cup
I loved the answer to a question posed somewhere about the amount of Dutch people in the streets of Houston, someone wondered how they all got here on such short notice
The winning comment on that post was another example of why Americans are ill equipped to even begin to grow an inkling of understanding (note the lack of ire here)
Europeans have 5 weeks of holiday, their arrivals were more spread out
… Waking up yet?
Or should they have all come at once in order to not disturb the fragile American ecosystem as well
If by cultural awakening you mean “servers are going to hate you for not tipping” then congratulations, because that’s all you’re gonna get by supporting the exploitative business. It’s like yelling at an Amazon worker they work for a bad company when they just need to feed their family all while still supporting Amazon monetarily by using their services, you’re not helping as much as you think. Somehow everyone gets this and many boycott Amazon but instead of inconveniencing yourself for this one you just get mad at the lowest person on the totem pole and still support it.
Great for the Dutch. Those servers you’re stiffing don’t get any vacation and are only given enough hours to keep them a part time employee specifically so they don’t get benefits, and you feel good about stiffing them because of your moral high ground? Ooooook.
Not moral high ground
Let me ask you this: is tipping obligatory?
What blaim is on these customers, exactly?
Depends on who you ask.
If you ask the boss? No.
If you ask the employee? Yes.
I wonder why that discrepancy exists…
The blame is on the customer for supporting exploitative businesses with their money, doubly so if they also don’t tip.
This of course doesn’t absolve the boss, but fact of the matter is he doesn’t care if the worker gets tipped, he gets his when you pay the menu price, and if you don’t tip fuck the both of you, if you do then fuck my boss but you’re cool.
It’s like supporting Amazon monetarily and also railing against their unfair treatment of workers, either stop buying from Amazon or you don’t actually care.
It’s a closed question. Yes or no.
Turns out since there’s more than one person involved you may get a different answer from each depending on perspective.
Two people are standing at opposite ends of a shape, one says it is a 6, the other says it is a 9.