Mmhmm, so you admit there’s functionally no difference other than having to do math and have no argument, but still refuse to admit I’m right so you’re gonna pull the “other nations” card and shut down?
Well guess what, “you’re” (those visiting I mean, I don’t have an airtag in your pocket) in this nation so get used to how it works here loser, I guess. You don’t see me going to Japan and shoving tips in their server’s pockets, because tipping is disrespectful there and despite it being a cultural difference between us I’m not too fucking stupid to adjust.
The funniest part to me is I’m the one with math anxiety (it’s real), and I’m still capable of doing this…
OHHHH you want a 20% discount but also want to feel morally superior to the server you stiffed to get that discount, after you’ve paid the owner their profits to perpetuate the system you claim to hate. Figures.
But the premise is that if everyone tipped 20% they’d have a livable wage, and instead of that they should just charge 20% more, so your $9.99+20% burger is now just $11.98. What is the difference for you?
The server experiences a difference, pricks who don’t tip no longer can’t, it’s built into the price, great. But the price of your bill being 20% more and that 20% going to them is functionally no different than if the price of your bill was 20% less and you tipped that 20%, the literal only differences are
A) it’s no longer a choice, it is now compulsory (good imo, fuck you non-tippers, if they make you do it through raising prices all the better for me)
B) you no longer have to do the math if you would have tipped. (Great, as a math anxiety haver that’s cool too. That said I have a calculator and it’s a low pressure environment, even ol’ math anxiety me isn’t that much of a pussy.)
I’m fine with either of those.
But really, is that it? Is that the only difference, you don’t want to do the math yourself? Why isn’t the tax the same, why aren’t you complaining that also isn’t included in the price?
Not doing the math is enough reason tbh. But also I’m not going to tip %20 for someone serving a beer compared to someone preparing a cocktail, it becomes unnecessarily complicated and as many other comments have pointed out, only the restaurant owner gets any real benefit.
Oh yes you would “tip” 20% if they just raised the price of the beer 20% and gave that to your server, it’s functionally the same but instead of being up to you it is forced, and it’s not called a tip anymore, but it’s still there.
And in the current system the server definitely benefits more from being tipped than being stiffed and working your table for free, the benefit is called “being able to afford rent this month,” either tip or boycott the whole restaurant, the owner doesn’t give a shit if you tip. If you manage to change the entire system then great but as it stands the only one you’re hurting by supporting the business and not tipping is the server.
Oh yes you would “tip” 20% if they just raised the price of the beer 20% and gave that to your server, it’s functionally the same but instead of being up to you it is forced, and it’s not called a tip anymore, but it’s still there.
If it is up to the customer, why they make it a big deal when the customer won’t pay the tip?
If the value is the tip is mandatory, then raise the price by including it.
All the tips do is subsidizing the restaurant owner, because they allow them to pay less.
Because when the customer doesn’t tip, it hurts the server who is already likely barely scraping by. It’s not a big deal if you’re a customer that doesn’t care about the worker, or if you’re the owner of the restaurant, however.
Sure, but until they do, don’t support exploitative businesses, or if you do, at least take care of the worker being exploited instead of doubling down on it and making it worse for them.
The tips aren’t only subsidizing the restaurant owner, they’re also what makes sure your server can eat and afford rent, until that changes not tipping only hurts the worker.
When we had covid servers learned how they are being screwed when they tried to use unemployment benefits.
This won’t end until people stop paying tips, we have fucking stores now asking to be tipped.
People should stop paying those “voluntary” tips, and servers should go to their employers asking for a raise or quit. That’s the only way this can change.
The whole tipping system is broken and unfair (for example how much do cooks (who do the majority of work) get?)
It is just capitalists owner bullshit where they want to shift the blame of their employees wages onto the customers instead of onto themselves who control it.
The shop inside a state doesn’t move, so their taxes stay exactly the same.
And tipping is bullshit too. Because it comes with a lot of stigma when the server is dependent on it to survive. A standard 20% increase will put the pressure on the employer when they want a raise, instead of the customers.
A) is already a good reason but the bigger one is that everyone is paid a living wage and this stops being the responsibility of the consumer (which I argue it isn’t already and shouldn’t be). And this happens regardless of their age, looks, skin colour, size of tits, luck in their schedule, or which part of the restaurant they work in.
Tax not being included is also insane. We’re not complaining about that because if we were to complain about everything retarded about the US there wouldn’t be enough space in this forum. You guys are getting screwed and played. Focus on that instead of insulting people who refuse to take part in it. It tip is so mandatory that you will insult whoever doesn’t tip then put it in the price. Simple as
Sure, and I suppose that means under the current system you do tip? If the tip becoming compulsory is good in your opinion, are you giving it freely now or do you have to be forced to do the right thing?
I don’t disagree that it should change, but it hasn’t, and until it does you only hurt the worker you claim to support by not tipping.
At least you’re consistent RE: tax. Some people only seem to hate that paying for their service isn’t included but the government? That’s fine. Wonder why, couldn’t have anything to do with it being easier to fuck over further an already exploited worker, I’m sure.
When I’m there I tip in some places (where there’s actual service involved for example. I’m not tipping anyone for literally picking something or a shelf, scanning it and handing it off to me on a counter) but definitely not 20%.
Regarding the tax it’s stupid but it might be less annoying to people because it’s not a choice. Paying the tax is not a problem. It exists for a good reason. What is a problem/stupid is that it’s hidden. That is not the case for tipping. And no I don’t want to further exploit or fuck workers. Quite the contrary. That’s why I advocate that it should be changed and that’s why if people don’t tip it might change.
If everyone stopped tipping tomorrow I guarantee you wages would change very quickly after. Yes it would hurt workers momentarily but its hints would improve after. Continuing to tip is just maintaining the status quo. You can keep waiting for things to change but they won’t as they haven’t for a long time. In fact it’s literally only getting worse with top % increasing.
Not great. Tbh if you can afford to travel internationally at all you’re doing so much better than every one of those servers. Even if your work is paying for it (and don’t act like they aren’t paying for your meals if they are sending you international, you could tip well on your boss’ dollar, like American business people do on their boss’ dollar when they come in).
Regarding the tax it’s stupid but it might be less annoying to people because it’s not a choice.
Neither is tipping if you ask those that rely on tipping. Boss doesn’t give a shit, he’ll tell you it is optional. You want to side with the exploiter? That’s certainly a choice, hope you don’t think you’re a good person though.
What is a problem/stupid is that it’s hidden. That is not the case for tipping
Oh so you admit tipping isn’t “hidden” and you know you’re supposed to, interesting. Sounds like you can figure it out, why are you complaining? Of course increasing the prices 20% and funneling it to the workers is better for them, they wouldn’t complain, but by your own admission you don’t tip that much, you’d be paying more. If you’re so about the worker why don’t you tip well without it being compulsory?
In fact imo 20% isn’t enough, increase the prices 30% or even 40% and give the worker that at your expense. Howboutdat?
If everyone stopped eating out entirely tomorrow I guarantee you wages would change very quickly after. Yes it would hurt your appetite momentarily but its hints would improve after. Continuing to eat out is just maintaining the status quo. You can keep pretending things will magically change but they won’t as they haven’t for a long time. In fact it’s literally only getting worse with top % increasing.
I give up discussing with you as it’s worthless and a waste of time. You can’t even understand half what I say and you make weird assumptions all the time
The whole “if you support workers so much why don’t you give them all your money” is just so stupid I had to call it here. It’s the equivalent of “if you want to support homelessness and orphans and abandoned pets why don’t you have them all in your home??? Gotchaaaa” which just tells me you have the mental capacity of a child.
Fix your backwards country and then you can stop being mad at people you don’t tip
I don’t like doing pointless things myself, especially when other nations have solved the problem.
Mmhmm, so you admit there’s functionally no difference other than having to do math and have no argument, but still refuse to admit I’m right so you’re gonna pull the “other nations” card and shut down?
Well guess what, “you’re” (those visiting I mean, I don’t have an airtag in your pocket) in this nation so get used to how it works here loser, I guess. You don’t see me going to Japan and shoving tips in their server’s pockets, because tipping is disrespectful there and despite it being a cultural difference between us I’m not too fucking stupid to adjust.
The funniest part to me is I’m the one with math anxiety (it’s real), and I’m still capable of doing this…
OHHHH you want a 20% discount but also want to feel morally superior to the server you stiffed to get that discount, after you’ve paid the owner their profits to perpetuate the system you claim to hate. Figures.
Because tipping is inherently biased (there’s plenty of data that shows that it’s unfair af) plus the whole history of why it exists (read it up).
Pay your workers a living wage and get rid of the excessive tipping culture you have there. It’s also bleeding into our side of the pond
Since you are already calling people loser it tells me everything I need to know about you.
Cheers
Right, sure.
But the premise is that if everyone tipped 20% they’d have a livable wage, and instead of that they should just charge 20% more, so your $9.99+20% burger is now just $11.98. What is the difference for you?
The server experiences a difference, pricks who don’t tip no longer can’t, it’s built into the price, great. But the price of your bill being 20% more and that 20% going to them is functionally no different than if the price of your bill was 20% less and you tipped that 20%, the literal only differences are
A) it’s no longer a choice, it is now compulsory (good imo, fuck you non-tippers, if they make you do it through raising prices all the better for me)
B) you no longer have to do the math if you would have tipped. (Great, as a math anxiety haver that’s cool too. That said I have a calculator and it’s a low pressure environment, even ol’ math anxiety me isn’t that much of a pussy.)
I’m fine with either of those.
But really, is that it? Is that the only difference, you don’t want to do the math yourself? Why isn’t the tax the same, why aren’t you complaining that also isn’t included in the price?
Not doing the math is enough reason tbh. But also I’m not going to tip %20 for someone serving a beer compared to someone preparing a cocktail, it becomes unnecessarily complicated and as many other comments have pointed out, only the restaurant owner gets any real benefit.
Oh yes you would “tip” 20% if they just raised the price of the beer 20% and gave that to your server, it’s functionally the same but instead of being up to you it is forced, and it’s not called a tip anymore, but it’s still there.
And in the current system the server definitely benefits more from being tipped than being stiffed and working your table for free, the benefit is called “being able to afford rent this month,” either tip or boycott the whole restaurant, the owner doesn’t give a shit if you tip. If you manage to change the entire system then great but as it stands the only one you’re hurting by supporting the business and not tipping is the server.
If it is up to the customer, why they make it a big deal when the customer won’t pay the tip?
If the value is the tip is mandatory, then raise the price by including it.
All the tips do is subsidizing the restaurant owner, because they allow them to pay less.
Because when the customer doesn’t tip, it hurts the server who is already likely barely scraping by. It’s not a big deal if you’re a customer that doesn’t care about the worker, or if you’re the owner of the restaurant, however.
Sure, but until they do, don’t support exploitative businesses, or if you do, at least take care of the worker being exploited instead of doubling down on it and making it worse for them.
The tips aren’t only subsidizing the restaurant owner, they’re also what makes sure your server can eat and afford rent, until that changes not tipping only hurts the worker.
When we had covid servers learned how they are being screwed when they tried to use unemployment benefits.
This won’t end until people stop paying tips, we have fucking stores now asking to be tipped.
People should stop paying those “voluntary” tips, and servers should go to their employers asking for a raise or quit. That’s the only way this can change.
The whole tipping system is broken and unfair (for example how much do cooks (who do the majority of work) get?)
I don’t think this is true.
What isn’t true?
Your entire argument.
It is just capitalists owner bullshit where they want to shift the blame of their employees wages onto the customers instead of onto themselves who control it.
WTF?! TAX ist not included in the price either?!?!?!? That is fucking insane!
Nope. At least not in most states, it varies. How fun is that?
At least you’re complaining about it too though, the consistency is refreshing instead of these people who only care about the tips for some reason.
It doesn’t matter that it varies per state.
The shop inside a state doesn’t move, so their taxes stay exactly the same.
And tipping is bullshit too. Because it comes with a lot of stigma when the server is dependent on it to survive. A standard 20% increase will put the pressure on the employer when they want a raise, instead of the customers.
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A) is already a good reason but the bigger one is that everyone is paid a living wage and this stops being the responsibility of the consumer (which I argue it isn’t already and shouldn’t be). And this happens regardless of their age, looks, skin colour, size of tits, luck in their schedule, or which part of the restaurant they work in.
Tax not being included is also insane. We’re not complaining about that because if we were to complain about everything retarded about the US there wouldn’t be enough space in this forum. You guys are getting screwed and played. Focus on that instead of insulting people who refuse to take part in it. It tip is so mandatory that you will insult whoever doesn’t tip then put it in the price. Simple as
Sure, and I suppose that means under the current system you do tip? If the tip becoming compulsory is good in your opinion, are you giving it freely now or do you have to be forced to do the right thing?
I don’t disagree that it should change, but it hasn’t, and until it does you only hurt the worker you claim to support by not tipping.
At least you’re consistent RE: tax. Some people only seem to hate that paying for their service isn’t included but the government? That’s fine. Wonder why, couldn’t have anything to do with it being easier to fuck over further an already exploited worker, I’m sure.
I tend to avoid travelling to the US
When I’m there I tip in some places (where there’s actual service involved for example. I’m not tipping anyone for literally picking something or a shelf, scanning it and handing it off to me on a counter) but definitely not 20%.
Regarding the tax it’s stupid but it might be less annoying to people because it’s not a choice. Paying the tax is not a problem. It exists for a good reason. What is a problem/stupid is that it’s hidden. That is not the case for tipping. And no I don’t want to further exploit or fuck workers. Quite the contrary. That’s why I advocate that it should be changed and that’s why if people don’t tip it might change.
If everyone stopped tipping tomorrow I guarantee you wages would change very quickly after. Yes it would hurt workers momentarily but its hints would improve after. Continuing to tip is just maintaining the status quo. You can keep waiting for things to change but they won’t as they haven’t for a long time. In fact it’s literally only getting worse with top % increasing.
Good. Stay home.
Good, but
Not great. Tbh if you can afford to travel internationally at all you’re doing so much better than every one of those servers. Even if your work is paying for it (and don’t act like they aren’t paying for your meals if they are sending you international, you could tip well on your boss’ dollar, like American business people do on their boss’ dollar when they come in).
Neither is tipping if you ask those that rely on tipping. Boss doesn’t give a shit, he’ll tell you it is optional. You want to side with the exploiter? That’s certainly a choice, hope you don’t think you’re a good person though.
Oh so you admit tipping isn’t “hidden” and you know you’re supposed to, interesting. Sounds like you can figure it out, why are you complaining? Of course increasing the prices 20% and funneling it to the workers is better for them, they wouldn’t complain, but by your own admission you don’t tip that much, you’d be paying more. If you’re so about the worker why don’t you tip well without it being compulsory?
In fact imo 20% isn’t enough, increase the prices 30% or even 40% and give the worker that at your expense. Howboutdat?
FTFY.
I give up discussing with you as it’s worthless and a waste of time. You can’t even understand half what I say and you make weird assumptions all the time
The whole “if you support workers so much why don’t you give them all your money” is just so stupid I had to call it here. It’s the equivalent of “if you want to support homelessness and orphans and abandoned pets why don’t you have them all in your home??? Gotchaaaa” which just tells me you have the mental capacity of a child.
Fix your backwards country and then you can stop being mad at people you don’t tip
Bye