Oh yes you would “tip” 20% if they just raised the price of the beer 20% and gave that to your server, it’s functionally the same but instead of being up to you it is forced, and it’s not called a tip anymore, but it’s still there.
And in the current system the server definitely benefits more from being tipped than being stiffed and working your table for free, the benefit is called “being able to afford rent this month,” either tip or boycott the whole restaurant, the owner doesn’t give a shit if you tip. If you manage to change the entire system then great but as it stands the only one you’re hurting by supporting the business and not tipping is the server.
Oh yes you would “tip” 20% if they just raised the price of the beer 20% and gave that to your server, it’s functionally the same but instead of being up to you it is forced, and it’s not called a tip anymore, but it’s still there.
If it is up to the customer, why they make it a big deal when the customer won’t pay the tip?
If the value is the tip is mandatory, then raise the price by including it.
All the tips do is subsidizing the restaurant owner, because they allow them to pay less.
Because when the customer doesn’t tip, it hurts the server who is already likely barely scraping by. It’s not a big deal if you’re a customer that doesn’t care about the worker, or if you’re the owner of the restaurant, however.
Sure, but until they do, don’t support exploitative businesses, or if you do, at least take care of the worker being exploited instead of doubling down on it and making it worse for them.
The tips aren’t only subsidizing the restaurant owner, they’re also what makes sure your server can eat and afford rent, until that changes not tipping only hurts the worker.
When we had covid servers learned how they are being screwed when they tried to use unemployment benefits.
This won’t end until people stop paying tips, we have fucking stores now asking to be tipped.
People should stop paying those “voluntary” tips, and servers should go to their employers asking for a raise or quit. That’s the only way this can change.
The whole tipping system is broken and unfair (for example how much do cooks (who do the majority of work) get?)
I’d like to see you get everyone in the entire country to agree on ANYTHING, including but not limited to, not tipping.
Tips are what let’s them get away with, by paying tips you are actually subsidizing the owner of the restaurant.
You subsidizing the owner directly by paying the menu price is worse than “just the tip™” by a long shot. At best they start paying bare minimum wage (absolutely not livable) and upcharge you and keep it. You’re so naïve to how it works here I’d bet either you’ve never even been here, or you’ve never left an inuslar bubble much larger than your house.
It is just capitalists owner bullshit where they want to shift the blame of their employees wages onto the customers instead of onto themselves who control it.
Oh yes you would “tip” 20% if they just raised the price of the beer 20% and gave that to your server, it’s functionally the same but instead of being up to you it is forced, and it’s not called a tip anymore, but it’s still there.
And in the current system the server definitely benefits more from being tipped than being stiffed and working your table for free, the benefit is called “being able to afford rent this month,” either tip or boycott the whole restaurant, the owner doesn’t give a shit if you tip. If you manage to change the entire system then great but as it stands the only one you’re hurting by supporting the business and not tipping is the server.
If it is up to the customer, why they make it a big deal when the customer won’t pay the tip?
If the value is the tip is mandatory, then raise the price by including it.
All the tips do is subsidizing the restaurant owner, because they allow them to pay less.
Because when the customer doesn’t tip, it hurts the server who is already likely barely scraping by. It’s not a big deal if you’re a customer that doesn’t care about the worker, or if you’re the owner of the restaurant, however.
Sure, but until they do, don’t support exploitative businesses, or if you do, at least take care of the worker being exploited instead of doubling down on it and making it worse for them.
The tips aren’t only subsidizing the restaurant owner, they’re also what makes sure your server can eat and afford rent, until that changes not tipping only hurts the worker.
When we had covid servers learned how they are being screwed when they tried to use unemployment benefits.
This won’t end until people stop paying tips, we have fucking stores now asking to be tipped.
People should stop paying those “voluntary” tips, and servers should go to their employers asking for a raise or quit. That’s the only way this can change.
The whole tipping system is broken and unfair (for example how much do cooks (who do the majority of work) get?)
The owner then fires them and replaces them with another from the endless wave of people desperate enough, and the cycle continues. Woo hoo.
I like to see the “endless wave” of people wanting to work for money that doesn’t even let them afford a place to live.
People have this misconception that things are set, while in reality employers will pay as little as they get away with and that works both ways.
Tips are what let’s them get away with, by paying tips you are actually subsidizing the owner of the restaurant.
It is amazing that they managed to pay their employees so little and also convince them to be mad about it at their customers not them.
I’d like to see you get everyone in the entire country to agree on ANYTHING, including but not limited to, not tipping.
You subsidizing the owner directly by paying the menu price is worse than “just the tip™” by a long shot. At best they start paying bare minimum wage (absolutely not livable) and upcharge you and keep it. You’re so naïve to how it works here I’d bet either you’ve never even been here, or you’ve never left an inuslar bubble much larger than your house.
I don’t think this is true.
What isn’t true?
Your entire argument.
It is just capitalists owner bullshit where they want to shift the blame of their employees wages onto the customers instead of onto themselves who control it.