• Telodzrum@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Sweeney has been known to manipulate public sentiment (read: impressionable children) to his advantage

    This is just standard behavior for game companies. Look at Valve’s strategy – actively work to get children addicted to gambling and then cry foul at any regulation.

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      6 days ago

      We really love saying companies aren’t your friend until someone specifies that also applies to companies you’re a fan of and think are super cool

      Valve may be much less anti consumer than other companies (and I appreciate their contributions to linux), but they are a company, and what are companies? Not your friend

      They absolutely still have issues, they are not without skeletons in the closet 😅

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        Valve is a good company in that they make an enormous amount of money running steam and they use that money to fund generally positive things. That’s about as good as you can hope tbh

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          6 days ago

          That’s pretty much definition of textbook capitalism: they benefit from doing something that benefits others too.

          Too bad this is a rare case in the real world capitalism

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            It’s more common than you think, like Apple has done a great job integrating privacy and security features into their OS both because they don’t really stand to gain from user data collection the same way Google does, its a good selling point, it helps them protect their app store revenue streams etc. nd also because they actually care about it.

            OTOH they are agreesively anti right to repair

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              Capitalism is an economic system where private individuals or businesses own capital goods, and the free market controls the production of goods and services.

              Capitalism is a system of economic production

              Private property promotes efficiency by giving the owner of resources an incentive to maximize the value of their property

              A capitalist earns the highest profit by utilizing capital goods, such as machinery and tools, most efficiently while producing the highest-value goods or services.

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        Doesn’t mean you have to cover for Epic by saying, in essence, “b-b-b-but Valve does bad stuff too!”.

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        This is a stupid argument. First, the ESRB is not the dictator of who plays what games. They are a recommendation group. Parents may want to consider what they say, but it should not be left at that. For example, sexual content is much worse than violent content in their eyes, and I’m sure we all agree that’s stupid.

        Second, kids play CS and TF2. We all know this, and Valve knows this. That’s not a bad thing, even if they’re rated M. I don’t think they do any harm, and CS at least probably does some good, with learning teamwork and stuff. Valve then uses their platform to push gambling, which is wrong (it’s psychologically manipulative, when they could just sell skins outright without manipulation) regardless of age, but particularly bad if they aren’t trying to prevent kids from participating, and they aren’t.

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          The only expection is AO rated games. That rating actually does carry legal requirements and restrictions. There’s a big reason it’s used so infrequently.

          M rated games are only 17+ it’s for minors. There’s no legal restrictions. AO is 18+ and actually does carry legal requirements to sell.

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          6 days ago

          Children should not be near those games. And it’s parents job to make sure of it.

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            6 days ago

            Oh, so you agree; Valve generally and Gabe specifically are mortally repugnant actors and should be criminally liable for their premeditated and deliberate targeting of minors.

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              No, Valve made M-rated games, it’s the parents’ responsibility to not have kids playing them.
              I know, they’re Parents, these unblamable entities, but here we are, sex has consequences.

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                Valve bears a legal, ethical, and moral culpability for targeting minors specifically and with ill intent for decades.

                I bet you think cigarette companies are blameless because there’s an age requirement for tobacco, too.

                Look in the mirror, chud. Simping for billionaires is a bad look. It pollutes your soul.

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                  Valve bears a legal, ethical, and moral culpability

                  No, only legal. The other responsibilities are the parents’, which i bet you won’t consider culpable at all if their kids start to smoke.

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              I agree that they started a machine that was unnecessary and it is repugnant; I still blame parents for any children involved.

              Never have I seen any minor targeting from Valve.

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      I love that you have nearly a 50% downvote rate because you had the gall to call Valve out for doing the thing we all know they’re doing.