Was wondering who was going to rise up and challenge the Catholic church for the title of champions of the molesters in the next Holy Wrestle Mania PPV.
One thing all Abrahamic faiths hold in common, dear and close to their hearts, is the molestation and torture of children.
Religion is a mental illness, a personal defect, and the greatest threat facing humanity, by far.
I think maybe this is something older than Abrahamic religions, but who knows. It just seems so coordinated across different faiths.
But child sexual abuse is tradition in the Jewish faith: circumcision.
Talking about anything Zionists do is antisemitic.
Well, this is the country which had demonstrations defending their right to rape those of “vermin” etnicities and have even celebrated some such rapists in national television.
Israeli spy services were also deeply involved with Epstein.
Looks a lot like Israel is a country with a broad culture of rape.
Unfortunately, unsurprising. Zionists are filth. I will point out what should be obvious: That there are many Jews who don’t support them in any way, shape, or form. But zionists? You can’t get a lower form of scum.
considering they were the mastermind behind epstein islands/trafficking, its not really surprising they have it in thier own borders, or nearby ME countries.
Wtf are you on about?
Jeffery Epstein was a Mossad Agent. ‘The Finders’ cult active during (at least) the 1970s-1990s in the US were a Mossad and CIA group that specialized in trafficking children for various purposes zionists have now admitted to enjoying.
This is public non-controversial information. Zionism is genocide, zionism is pedophilia. If you are a zionist you think brown people need to die for you to live, and you like to fuck kids.
You know what? You’re absolutely correct. This is all public, non controversial information. Which is I will share this link so people here can actually read about this movement and see for themselves that you’re conspiracy theory nut that’s full of shit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Finders_(movement)#1987_child_abuse_investigation
First of all, there’s literally zero mentions, connections, or even allegations that this weird movement had anything to do with Mossad, Israel, or Zionism. That’s literally you making stuff up.
Second of all, based on the article linked above, there’s also zero mentions of CIA involvement anywhere. The closest thing you’ll get to that is the cult founder’s wife and son used to work for the CIA. His son cut contact with him in 1985 when he started a home inspection business. There’s nothing in the article that mentions anything about this movement actually being run by the CIA. Again, the closest thing you’ll get to that is this:
The 1987 investigation received wider attention in 1993, when Henry T. “Skip” Clements, an officer in private-sector consulting and a resident of Stuart, Florida, obtained a copy of a report which stated that the Washington, D.C. police investigation into the Finders had been dropped as a “CIA internal matter.” Clements alleged that the Central Intelligence Agency had compelled the Customs Service to cease their 1987 investigation because the commune was used as a front to train agents. Clements’ allegations drew the interest of two U.S. representatives, Tom Lewis and Charlie Rose, leading to a Department of Justice investigation.[9][12] The CIA denied any involvement,[6] and CIA spokesman David Christian asserted that the 1993 accusations were a misunderstanding stemming from a CIA training contractor, Future Enterprises Inc. where one Finders member worked as a part-time accountant
Which doesn’t prove anything because the founder and his family lived in DC, and that’s where he formed his weird little cult, and as it so happens, government agencies like the CIA are big employers in that city. You’re making it sound as if this was a CIA run predecessor to Epstein island, which its not.
Finally, when you actually look at the alleged activities of this group, they were never even accused, let alone indicted on child trafficking. The only criminal activity this group has mentioned in the article is two members being arrested for misdemeanor child abuse, which in this case was not sexual abuse, but neglect. The Florida’s state police as well federal authorities investigated the situation but couldn’t find any evidence for criminal activity so the charge were charged and the two men were released.
Most of the allegations about them being CIA run operation or them being a satanic cult or being an international pedo ring or whatever all comes from the media, which as the sources in the article imply were done to capitalize on the Satanic Panic that was happening in the 80s.
Now, here’s the thing. If you’re critical of this group, that’s fine. If you’re critical of the law enforcement investigations done on this group, that’s also fine. If you’re skeptical of the CIA, go right ahead. However, what’s not fine is when you literally make up shit and try to pass it on as fact. Your claims have no evidence, no sources, no substance, nothing. What I posted here is public information, and it contradicts what you said. Meaning that you’re either really ignorant or you’re a conspiracy theory nut who’s spreading misinformation. Either way, it’s unacceptable and you need to do better.
Nice try. There are connections with the CIA even if they aren’t a smoking gun. They protected them and sent agents to train with them as well.
https://apnews.com/article/4c5cd8141e930159ea3e4f0492a41ade
Furthermore there is a long history of letting child molesters flee to Isreal and using child rape as blackmail. This includes Epstein.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/
You can pretend all you want, but all I see is a defender of pedophiles using doubt to sow discord. We know they are molesting children. We know POTUS is in on it. We know Israel used Mossad and the US used the CIA to supply children to wealthy people as rewards and blackmail.
All I read there is a “we investigated ourselves and saw no wrongdoing” kind of deal, with the extra steps of collusion between government organizations and judges in their pockets.
If you want to criticize tge investigations, that’s perfectly fine. I’m merely pointing out how the person I’m replying to is simply lying and making things up despite them insisting that their claims are public knowledge.
Honestly the left needs more conspiracy, the right has too long controlled that demographic.
That’s a lot of words for “I’m a pedophile and I want to fuck kids” but you do you I guess.
This is the level of intelligence, or rather, the lack thereof, that I expect from conspiracy theroy whackos
So it’s not a conspiracy theory, you’re just unable google things.
Because you’re a pedophile. And you desperately want the pedophiles in charge to not ever be held accountable.
“Oh there’s totally not a coordinated global human trafficking ring funded by literally all of the world’s wealthiest people and protected by literally the most advanced and expensive militaries on the planet… it was just one guy that suspiciously won the lottery three times during his lifetime and was just pictured with every single rich and powerful person over 40 years.”
You pedos make me sick.
Ah yes, the grand googler has hit me with a rando substack article that’s filled with ads (placed by the authors btw) trying to fearmonger people into buying gold from them. Skimming through the article, which I’m 99% sure is generated by chatgpt, is literally just a rehash of the wiki article that I posted with no additional information provided.
There’s still NOTHING in the article that you yourself posted that supports ANY of your claims. You don’t have a moral high ground when you’ve proven yourself to be the liar that you’re being criticized as. I’m asking you to prove what you said, it’s really that simple. You haven’t been able to do it, you keep trying to assert that you’re right while wagging your finger as if you’re a moral authority on anything.
You can’t squirm your way out of this. There’s no 4d chess logic, there’s no connecting the magical dots, there’s no opening your third eye. You either provide sources that directly prove the claims that you made or your failure to do so validates my criticisms of you by default. If you’re a conspiracy whacko who’s lying and spreading misinformation, then prove me wrong and post your sources. Go claim by claim and spell it out for me, I’ll be waiting but I know you won’t come up with anything.
Do you live under a rock?
No, I just have a tendency to call out misinformation when I see it.
I hope the victims recover…
Every link within that news website leads to more of the same website. The last place I saw this was rebel media.
I’m not out to discredit etc but I do think it may be wise to look for external confirmation.
That very article has several outgoing links, in addition to the explicit mentions of news broadcaster Kan 11:
- https://www.jfeed.com/news-israel/gush-etzion-ritualistic-abuse (Gush Etzion Regional Council acknowledged ritualistic sexual abuse cases in its communities)
- https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-856407 (survivors testify)
- https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-884502 (senior Rabbi urges to take the reports seriously)
- https://www.timesofisrael.com/horrifying-testimonies-seek-to-lift-shroud-of-silence-around-ritual-sex-abuse-claims/ (survivors testify; comprehensive account of the non-investigations)
The part about Avraham Bezalel being forced to resign from the Knesset was widely covered, as was the questioning of Hanoch Milwidsky by the police.
I haven’t chased down sources beyond that, having limited time.
Then the story should be posted by an actual reputable source. Questionable sources shouldn’t tolerated on the basis of technicalities.
What you’re doing here is called critical thinking. That’s not allowed on Lemmy because basic information hygiene is frowned upon. Doing so make you a genocide supporter in the eyes of the community here. You’re only ever allowed to criticize questionable sources when they publish something that the wider community disagrees with.
See my reply to the same comment
… shaking Israel’s religious-Zionist sector.
I kinda doubt that, they must be just “slammed” about the whole thing getting out though.
There is literally no possible bottom to the pit of evil these Zionist revel in to achieve their Jewish state.
You ain’t wrong, but this is shit done within the settler communities to other Jews, not the Palestinians.
But everyone is involved not just settlers
She said she had received testimonies from several women who alleged that ‘doctors, educators, police officers, and past and present members of the Knesset’ were involved in the abuse.
The common thread seems to be that the instigators are from the same Haredi faction. The perpetrators are from a broader range of groups (if the allegations are true).
I mean, if police and government is involved we can safely assume it’s country wide issue, not just some isolated incident in fringe group of people
Raping Children is TERRIBLE! Wait ISRAEL is doing it? Your ANTI SEMETIC if you HATE Raping Children!
-The BBC!
Far more than the BBC, including many here on lemmy. Fucking swine (them, not you).
yeah i wonder what german law has to say about this
We’re talking about you @PugJesus@lemmy.world
Also I think it’s hilarious I had to look up how to tag people on Lemmy and the post I come across is two years ago and they’re asking how to tag users and mention Pug as an example.
EDIT: 13 downvotes doesn’t seem suspicious at all. /s
He calls what Israel is doing a genocide, so I’m not sure he fits in that category.
He banned me from his community for calling out Democratic politicians for supporting Israel’s genocide soooo 🤷♂️
Gonna need a link to which comment caused the ban for me to make a proper judgement.
He removed it of course.
https://lemmy.world/post/47534274/24011623
My comment was something like “If Democratic politicians could be pressured they wouldn’t continue to support Israel’s genocide.”
What’s the context with Pug?
He’s a mod who really doesn’t like it when people talk about Democratic politicians who support Israel’s genocide. Also when you talk about him your comment will get a lot more attention than what you’d expect from organic traffic. I have my suspicions he’s got funding.
Have you considered he may be a relatively well-known figure in this space, thus generating additional interest that a less-prolific user may not? Due to the rarity of tagging a user in the first place you bring further attention when tagging anyone in any comment regardless of their popularity.
When that tag involves accusations of pedophile apologia or Zionist-washing without providing evidence it will receive negative attention regardless of the user’s popularity.
Your suspicions regarding paid engagement ignores the rational explanation that he is simply a recognizable name. Those suspicions are further undercut by tagging him and accusing him of reprehensible behavior. You personally have increased engagement with your actions.
Please, by all means, provide us with evidence that Pug abuses his banhammer. Mod logs aren’t hidden. If his actions are scummy or inappropriate for his position then prove it. Regardless of his popularity you would be doing a favor for the entire fediverse in doing so.
🤷♂️ He deleted the comment he banned me for. Not sure what you want me to do about it.
Ask him to bring the comment back so you can judge for yourself: https://lemmy.world/post/47534274/24011623
My comment was something like “If Democratic politicians could be pressured they wouldn’t continue to support Israel’s genocide.”
getting banned by zionist trash is an award
Ooh are there details?
What fucking scum.
‘Shaking’ the sector my ass they seem all in on this bullshit.
I’m scared to even click this article :’)
My first reaction to this headline, coming from a german speaking country, was that it sounds like a neonazi hitpiece (it wouldn’t be the first time that neonazis would spread allegations like this).
The article quickly made me realize that those allegations have a lot of substance and credibility.
Any zionists here who wanna explain why i now have to say that some fucking nazis had a point?
Zionism is as much representative of Judaism as NAZIsm is representative of all Germanic people.
Just because these ethno-Fascist White Supremacist groups claim they represent a specific ethnicity doesn’t mean they do.
Granted, Zionism has lasted a lot longer and there is a lot more parroting of the whole equating Judaism with Zionism in countries with a captured Press and/or Fascists traditions, so it’s understandable that many will actually believe that idea as pushed by Zionists, but there are plenty of Jewish voices saying that’s not so (curiously one which is called Jewish Voices For Peace and has just been deemed by a German Court an “Extremist Organization” for their criticism of Israel, which is interesting given the parallels between NAZIsm and Zionism).
Anyways, there is no such thing as a politican ideology or a country which represents an entire ethnicity - that would logically require that all people of a ethnicity are the same (i.e. “they’re all the same”) which is a foundational stone of Racism. I guess most people who believe the equivalence between Israel/Zionism and the Jewish People seem to have just accepted it a face value and never have really analysed it it down to its component parts and thus did not realize that such equation of one and the other relies on pure ethnic prejudice about people based on ethnicity.
What is the polling on % of American Jews supporting Israel? Or individual synagogues being pro or anti Zionist? One Jewish zionist I was talking to recently said Jewish Voices for Peace represented a tiny minority and was very dismissive about the extent of antizionism among Jews in general but I’m sure she has a bias.
I vaguelly remembers reading that in the latest polls about half of Jews in the US do not support the actions of Israel, tough the ones who are actually against the existence of Israel are much less (I think it was less than 20%, but am not sure anymore).
I’m in Europe and a lot of the Press here is a lot more open about the actions of Israel and less prone to the Manufacturing ConsentI spin on stories about the actions of Israel, so I suspect that in average the views of Jews here towards Israel are more negative than for those in the US (though I suppose that depends on the country: I wouldn’t be surprised if hard-core Zionist beliefs were more common in the UK and Germany than in the rest of Europe). This would be consistent with the view of Israel amongst the population in general in Europe being a lot more negative than in the US.
Independently of that, were exactly do you set the “these guys represent you and everybody like you even if you disagree” boundary? In other words, how many Jews must believe that “Israel does not represent me” for it to be false that Israel to represent the Jewish People? Also, if the numbers fall below that at one point, does that mean that Israel doesn’t represent the Jewish People anymore or is it a sticky representation whether people want to or not?
The whole domain of anything or anybody representing an entire ethnicity without even a Democratic election is a massive minefield of Prejudicial and even Racist presumptions.
Beyond that, the entire subject of Zionism and Israel representing an entire etnicity (the Jewish People) carries the very same strong stink as NAZIsm and NAZI Germany representing an entire etnicity (the Arian Race).
Dive into the Epstein files, Ghislaine Maxwell and for bonus credit the Franklin incident. I wasn’t surprised sadly
ghislaine following in her fathers footstep with the whole zionism bit, ghislaine just went the whole extra mile.
Yup. Me neither. Wherever there is an excess of money/power and entitlement, some perverted shitheel is going to organize pedophilia (and/or other sexual extremes) with other perverted shitheels. The entitlement tells them they should have whatever they want, then the money/power gets it for them and keeps it protected from external interference, and the train rolls on.
Epstein himself made a career of trading influence and favors on exactly that: occasionally he made the mistake of offering sexual access to minors to the wrong person and then he’d back off immediately, saying, “No, that’s not what I meant, bad joke, but wouldn’t you like [some other elite thing, like meeting a celeb] instead,” and no one would even bat an eye.
Israel is already credibly accused of raping everyone but children – men, women, prisoners, detainees, settlers – when it comes to Palestinians, activists, and others, so who legitimately thinks they’re not ALSO raping the kids?
Israelis applauded the two soldiers accused of raping a Palestinian man in detention, and of course the charges were dropped, so when that policy comes from the top down and many are even applauding the rapists, what possible restriction of sexual violence then applies to the children?
When you strip away insane amounts of money and power, and the perks and exclusivity and protection that money and power buy, you will always find that evil is indeed banal, and the vices that consume the poorest also consume the richest.
See the following articles for graphic descriptions of how Israel is using sexual violence as an act of war:
The Silence That Meets the Rape of Palestinians - NYT
Israeli soldiers using sexual assault to force Palestinians out of West Bank, report says - The Guardian
“More than a human can bear”: Israel’s systematic use of sexual, reproductive and other forms of gender-based violence since October 2023 - UN Human Rights org (OHCHR)And there are a lot more where that came from, unfortunately.
Not a zionist, but you thankfully don’t have to. It is a proven fact now that the israeli state does a lot of messed up objectively evil stuff, but that was never the point of the nazis where I live at least. What I have heard from that crowd, is that all semitic people groups, especially the Jews, should be killed off. There is thankfully nothing in the news to back up that idea, and it is as insane as arguing for global persecution of all baptists in retaliation for American wars in the middle east. The neonazis I have met have simply hopped on this latest war to spread their hate opportunistically.
This is conflating religion and ethnicity. Wanting to see people liberated from a religion you abhor is very, very different from wanting them all dead.
Of course it is not a perfect comparison, I don’t know of that many ethnoreligious groups with strong ties to one nation state, a strong and historically significant minority presence across much of the world and global recognition on the internet. I hope I still got the main point across though, that the main neo-nazi position is completely insane, and not really related to the atrocities committed by the israeli state at all.
Nazis didn’t have a point. The zionist project is a continuation of nazism, not judaism. Nazis also abused children in horrible ways. Ethnosupremacy leads to (and is a product of) corrosion of all morality and social norms
The zionist project is a continuation of nazism, not judaism.
The Zionist project perdates Nazism by several decades. It may be morally abhorrent, but it’s not Nazism. It’s a me-too version of European enthno-nationalism combined with colonialism, both of which were widespread in the 19th century. In Europe, ethno-nationalism led to nation-states coalescing such as Italy and Germany, but at the expense of ethnic minorities whose languages and cultures were suppressed. The colonialist variant led to oppression of indigenous peoples, especially in Africa, but to a lesser extent in the Caribbean, Polynesia and other parts of the world.
Within European colonialism, it was not unusual for members of disadvantaged groups to be the ones to become colonists (for example, the Catalans in Cuba, Baseques in Spanish colonies, or the Scots in far-flung corners of the British empire). Jews in 19th-century Europe were still subject to discrimination (though in most parts, their position would improve in the early 20th century until the fascists gained power), so it’s not surprising to see emigration to a new colony being perceived by some as an option.
So that’s the historical context. None of that makes it right, anymore than what the French did in Algeria was right. There’s a logic to ethno-nationalism and colonialism that makes oppression inevitable and genocide likely. But conflating Zionism with Nazism is neither correct nor helpful. It’s evil in its own way, but more in alignment with other ethno-nationalist and colonialist movements than Nazism. Claiming differently just allows objectors to point to the many unique features of Nazism to refute the claim, distracting from the real point, that such murderous injustice is an intrinsic feature of both ethno-nationalism and colonialism.
What are some of these unique nazi features not present in zionism?
I really can not believe you now have to admit the Zionists are Nazis to someone!!! I mean we are talking about the chosen people! Our precious chosenite, this is not possible!
Won’t anyone think of the childr… no wait.
