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B12 is readily available at low cost. My B12 supplements cost me roughly 3 USD per annum. The money saved by a plant-based diet will cover this cost many times over.
This is a solved problem.
Weird. I’ve been vegan for a decade and not dead yet.
I was more actively suicidal when I ate animals than when I stopped
Weird. I’ve been vegan for a decade and not dead yet.
Just you wait! Vegans only have a life span of 82 years on average (depending on your country) your time will come, and when it does, veganism will be to blame!
I’ve seen more compelling writing on the back of a gum wrapper.
Absolutely pathetic, BBC.
For fucks sakes BBC that headline is horseshit.
Shame.
It feels irresponsible to use that headline and not mention that most vegans don’t go insane. Because some people actually do seem to think compassion diets kill you, despite the obvious empirical evidence to the contrary.
Posh girl kills herself, family and courts read her personal diaries in order to blame veganism.
Killed herself is a little different from “died”.
But what they are burying here is B-12 deficiency is not limited to vegans. Anyone can have it.
“Gray said Owen “reported to her family that she had bought an organic B12 supplement from Canada” and would take a daily dosage of 1mg.”
Yeah, not enough. My doc has me taking 2,500mcg or 2.5mg.
Yeah I’m a vegan and obviously it’s a significant problem for us, but plenty of people with a normal but shitty diet are also deficient. This isn’t unique to us.
Seems excessive for daily usage, you’re off a few orders of magnitude.
B12 is difficult to absorb, especially in supplements. That’s why we take what seems like massive amounts. What is not absorbed is flushed naturally and healthily by the body.
It’s water-soluble so that’s OK even so. Low risk of OD unless you really go hog-wild.
Not if you’re deficient. 😉
2500 ugr (micrograms)
μg
Right. My bad.
My keyboard doesn’t have the mu sign.
2500000ng
Vitamin B12 is found in meat, fish, eggs, dairy products and specially fortified foods, and, according to the NHS, a deficiency can lead to psychological problems.
B12 is supplemented to the animals so in reality these are also fortified foods.
Usual BBC slant on anything vegan. They are consistently doing their best to make avoiding animal products seem dangerous.
Nooch FTW. B12’s important for vegans to consider, but a vegan diet doesn’t make a person “delusional”… B12 deficiency does.
Any sudden change in diet can have this effect, I think schools do pretty bad job of teaching kids about actual health.
Anyway if you go vegan eat marmite.
Georgina Owen had developed a vitamin B12 deficiency due to the diet she began in 2016
I wouldn’t call 10 years sudden.
She died 2019 so 3 years. Still, not sudden.
Wow 3 years to be so seriously affected by B12 deficiency!? That was quick?
I don’t think that’s normal. B12 is essential, but I would have thought the detrimental effects would take longer to reach that level.If you don’t get any intake of B12, it takes a few years. But there are symptoms before going insane… You need to be completely deaf to your body’s screaming signs to actually die from it.
The death was suicide. So not directly from B12 deficiency, but from mental illness most likely caused by B12 deficiency.
Yes, I meant to die from it directly or indirectly. It’s not sudden insanity, the symptoms get gradually worse over time, just like most deficiency.
Fun fact: Vegemite was sent to Australian POWs in Japanese camps to combat B vitamin deficiencies. The guards dismissed it as shoe polish.
Also, either can be used in small quantities to make gravies taste better. Makes mushroom gravy taste extra umami.
Vegemite has a high level of glutamates, which are the source of the umami flavor. And it doesn’t often trigger the kind of reactions that some people have to MSG, which the purified form of one particular glutamate.
Instructions unclear, I made gravy with shoe polish.
Which shoe polish goes good with American biscuits and gravy?
First five words of that last sentence are totally unnecessary
How many jars should I eat per day?
42
The answer to everything, at least everything was part of the question.
What does Marmite taste like?
Its taste is very similar to homeless ass.
Salty yeast like Vegemite. Add some butter and it’s all delicious!
Source: I’m American and never had marmite. I stand by what I said about vegemite.
Vegans + Butter? 🤔
There are vegan butter alternatives…
is this the same lady who stopped taking her B supplement?
Sad to see this play out again. Lots of people are deficient in B12 and various other essential nutrients. The worst part from my perspective is obviously the loss of life, but the second worst is how easy this is to fix. I am by no means a vegan, I definitely eat my fair share of meat and eggs, but B12 deficiency is easy enough to get, especially if you eat a lot of processed foods or have a mono diet, eating the same thing every day.
For B12 I would recommend nutritional yeast. It gives a cheesy sort of flavour and can be added to foods like beans, refried beans, ragu/bolognaise, various pasta dishes, the list goes on. A fairly small amount packs a lot of B vitamins and you can have quite a bit without any issue. It also keeps very well, just requiring an airtight container and maybe a dessicant packet for longer term storage.
If you take some tapioca starch and add it to water then slowly reduce it you can make a really nice cheese sauce substitute, very similar to Mac and cheese. Nutritional yeast adds the full flavour and colour, making it actually tasty.
Noooch!
Noooch?
Slang for Nutritional Yeast
Going vegan is quite a bit more involved than going vegetarian.
When eating vegetarian you can mostly kind of wing it and generally get all the nutrients you need. But when going vegan you really should make sure you know what you need to consume in order to be healthy.
Since B12 is only found in animal products, you are probably going to have to take a supplement.
My daughter has been vegan (with some deviations) for over 20 years. She’s never had health problems related to it. She eats wakame (seaweed) and shiitake mushrooms, which are two of the few non-animal sources of B12.
B12 is not only found in animal products.
Nooch (nutritional yeast) has tons and also an awesome cheesy-nutty flavor that compliments lots of foods.
I stand corrected.
But my point was more that you need to make sure that your diet includes a source that gives you sufficient B12, which is not quite as obvious on how to get that with a vegan diet compared to a vegetarian one.
Apparently Vegemite also contains B12. But it’s also high is salt, which makes it not ideal.
Oh for sure.
I would argue that anybody could find themselves deficient of various nutrients. Not exclusively a vegan thing…but B12 is definitely difficult to get from vegan sources. Omega 3s, as well.
There’s also the question of how strict a vegan is. A very strict vegan wouldn’t drink most wines (due to isinglass, gelatin, egg whites used in processing), eat most mass-produced bread (diglycerides), or many sweets that contain confectioners glaze (shellac) and refuse many medications (gelatin, at the very least).
Likely such a person would also avoid otherwise non-animal foods fortified with b12, because it’s uncertain where that b12 came from.
But, at the same time, vegans are also typically more aware of what they are eating and what they need to supplement. Vegans have a lot of community. At least around here. And community means awareness.
omega 3s are hard to get in general if your not eating seafood or taking fish supplements. Im not sure vegan matters all that much because once you take away seafood plant sources become your best options.
Nooch (nutritional yeast) has tons
Only if fortified. Otherwise it has very little or none.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/nutritional-yeast#nutrients-and-benefits
Nooch provides 2.2mcg of B12 per serving (5g), according to the jar in my hand. So just make sure you’re eating about 6g a day and you’re good enough on B12 (recommended 2.5mcg/day). So a bit more than a tablespoon of nooch is enough to get your B12 for the day, and you can split it over all your meals/snacks.
It’s an almost certain deficiency among Vegans, if they don’t account for it.
All store bought vegan milk drinks have B12 in my country, along with many other vegan products. I winged it but you still gotta check your levels to make sure, but that’s something everyone should always do.
injecting an animal with B12 and then eating that animal’s flesh is still taking a supplement. I’ll take the little multivitamin every few days, personally.
edit: wow some downvotes from people who had no clue
Has someone posted this to /c/vegancirclejerk@lemmy.vg yet?
I suppose that limiting your diet means it now on manual and care has to be taken to ensure that it is adequate.
Is “delusional” some dumb new way of saying “delulu” or somn?
