Polish far-right MP sparks outrage by displaying Israeli flag with Nazi swastika in parliament, accusing Israel of genocide in controversial statement.

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    3 days ago

    You say this, and I have no animosity toward individual Jews at all.

    But it is a simple fact that the Israeli citizens, who are mostly Jews, are nearly fully behind all of the atrocities their country is committing. They overwhelmingly supported the Gaza Genocide, and they support the civilian bombings of Iran and Lebanon.

    I don’t blame Jews around the world in general, but the Israeli CITIZENS shouldn’t get a pass for their support of their government’s atrocities just because they are Jews.

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      19 hours ago

      But it is a simple fact that the Israeli citizens, who are mostly Jews

      Self-selected sample. Some Jews are Israelis, some Israelis support Likud or even worse parties.

      I’ve met quite a number of Israelis who are decent people. Conversely, I’ve met a few Palestinians who advocate brutal, evil actions against Jews. Israelis have disproportionate power in the conflict, and therefore bear more responsibility as the occupiers, but the notion of collective guilt is a sinister one that should be avoided.

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        18 hours ago

        I always take every person as an individual, and never judge them on their race or any other demographic group they may be part of (except MAGAs, they are automatically awful), but as a population, Israelis do not have much of a defense:

        A June 2025 poll found that a significant portion of Jewish Israelis support extreme measures in Gaza, with 47% supporting a “war of extermination” (killing all inhabitants). Other polls show 82% support transferring Gazans out and 76% believe there are no innocent people in Gaza, reflecting widespread support for actions deemed by scholars as genocide

        So 47% simply want extermination, and 82% support chasing them out, which would amount to same thing for many of them. And 76% claim they are all guilty of something, rationalizing anything bad that might happen to them.

        Sorry, obviously there are some good Israelis who see the inhumanity of their nation’s behavior, but as whole, they overwhelming support their nation’s atrocities, and nearly half would go much, much further if they could.

        Who would have thought that their takeaway from the Holocaust would be to “pay it forward?”

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      3 days ago

      the Israeli citizens, who are mostly Jews, are nearly fully behind all of the atrocities their country is committing.

      The Israeli lay citizens are at least we immersed in Zionist propaganda as any American or Brit. To crib from Glenn Beck, it’s always 9/12 over there

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        3 days ago

        That’s no excuse. Nobody gets fed more conservative propaganda than America, and yet a full 2/3 are absolutely against our War in Iran, and most of that remaining 1/3 are lying.

        The Israelis have had ample opportunity to reign in their aggression toward their neighbors for years, and they’ve only gotten worse. In the beginning it was defensive, but somewhere along the line, they became the aggressor, and now it isn’t Israel who has to worry about the Middle East, it’s the Middle East, and indirectly, everyone else, who has to worry about Israel.

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          19 hours ago

          Nobody gets fed more conservative propaganda than America

          Russia. Israel. Hungary until a few days ago. Iran (don’t forget that it’s a single-party state run by religious reactionaries too).

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            18 hours ago

            I didn’t say they America was the ONLY place that’s inundated with propaganda, but none of them are any worse than America. The Conservative Propaganda Machine has been getting the minority elected for DECADES. Without it, no MAGA would ever get elected.

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          Nobody gets fed more conservative propaganda than America

          I don’t know how you measure that, per say, but it’s not an issue of raw volume. You can receive less conservative propaganda than your neighbor and still end up with a conservative worldview.

          yet a full 2/3 are absolutely against our War in Iran, and most of that remaining 1/3 are lying

          Americans are largely against the Iran War because it spiked the price of gasoline. That’s not a position rooted in morality. It’s the same consumerist reactionary sentiment that powered Trump to election the last two times he won (and Biden, the time Trump lost).

          The Israelis have had ample opportunity to reign in their aggression toward their neighbors for years

          ‘Prefer Death Over IDF’: Israeli Jews RIOT In Jerusalem; Refuses To Serve Military & Fight Hamas

          I’m so sick to death of hearing the “police state isn’t a big deal, you just need to fight armed goons on the street harder.” Tell it to Alex Pretti and Renée Good.

          Do you really think the violence of the Israeli state is limited to Palestinians? It is applied to every dissident group.

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            Do you really think the violence of the Israeli state is limited to Palestinians?

            No, of course I don’t think that, and I wrote the exact opposite, and you even quoted it:

            The Israelis have had ample opportunity to reign in their aggression toward their neighbors for years

            And I even mentioned them bombing Lebanon. So, no, I DON’T think their aggression is limited to Palestinians, as I clearly indicated.