- The government is obliged to grant your request to leave the country unless there actually is a war.
- There is no penalty if you leave the country without government approval.
Then what is the point of doing any of thi, oh other than tracking the citizens movements and to set the ball rolling on more draconian shit down the line
- The water is cold.
- The stove isn’t even on yet.
– Frog in the pot
Except the provision in question was copy pasted from an old law where it existed for decades without any change.
I find the tendency on Lemmy to see a conspiracy in every law concerning.
Criticise the law for what it does (there is enough here for it) and be wary of potential abuse. But sometimes warm water is just warm water.
It existed for decades in times of war and tension.
It is something completely different that they want us to ask for permission in times of peace, which they changed this year.
The government can and will change that law when they decide it is needed. Just because they are not enforcing it right now doesn’t mean they can’t find you guilty at a later date.
You should never need permission from the government to travel.
not enforcing
Seems like the law doesn’t apply here not that it’s not enforced. If war does come similar law will be passed ether way.
I’d agree with you though from philosophical pov - the government should never be allowed to contain you even if you’re dodging the draft.
It’s an extra hurdle to jump through, and it’s sexist.
Do you have a source that says the government has to grant your request? I tried scouring the law and it seems true but I struggle with the lingo.
Also the changes that were last made to the law seem to explicitly differentiate between war and none war situation as to which paragraphs are applied so they could have applied that paragraph only to situations of war. So I still think a Discussion and some scrutiny is warrented here as to why we “kept” this rule.
In other words, meaningless paperwork just to keep the population disciplined. Germans 🙄.
Also this isn’t a new law but a remain of the cold war era.
Not quite, this particular paragraph was identical in the cold war era but the other paragraphs, mainly defining when it is in effect and when not, were changed. This made the law applicable since January 1st of this year. So previously this rule was only applicable during war or “conflicting times” and now it always is.
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Stop voting for right wing parties, folks
That decision was not done by right wing parties.
CDU is a center-right party. In recent times even more right.
Doesn’t the CDU have the relative majority right now? That is a right-wing party.
Last time I checked CDU was a right wing party? And the sPD will do most of their bidding to be in power
Ehhhhh CDU is center right. They’re very far from parties like AFD.
Center right is still right wing. I mean, it’s right there in the name.
They’re not center at all, stop normalising Nazis.
In this case, I would advise them to simply ignore the law, or protest to have it revoked. It does not make sense.
Article is irrelevant - we had this discussion in Germany 1 week ago.
TL;DR See comment below.
Sorry, last time I checked the Discussion got started with the article in fr on the 03.04. (Friday) which wasn’t a week ago but just before the weekend. And the discussion doesn’t seem “finished” to me.
Also as I commented at the comment mentioned by you they could have exempted article 3 from situations outside of “war”. Or they could have updated/changed it all together.
“When Russia attacks I want someone else to defend me”
I will absolutely defend Germany when Russia attacks, but I will not fight any of Americas and Israels wars!
Not even against America and Israel?
What a beautiful strawman you built there.
No, they want to leave Germany instead of making someone defend them there.
I hope to leave people like you behind when someone attacks:)
I can promise you Russia does not care to attack any of the EU. If you’ve been tricked into believing something different, get a better education.
Depends on how exclusionary you define Europe.
If the “lesser white people” are Europeans you are wrong. The Baltics must be free.
Yet.
Or ever. Germany has no natural resources and generally has not been enough of a pain since the Soviets freed you from Nazi control to be a danger to Russia. Why would they invade? Germany doesn’t even have a large contingency of Russian citizens in it.
maybe you don’t know, but Europe does not consist solely of Germany. there are a few more countries to the “right” on the map.
