Thoughts?

Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn’t it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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      Except that was a peaceful process, not an invasion/annexation. Because part of Taiwan’s strategic defense policy is “we will melt our chip fabs to slag if the PRC invades”. Thus, they hold a gun to the head of pretty much all of the most advanced chip fabrication in the world, which most of the rest of the world has a vested interest in keeping working.

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        Except that was a peaceful process, not an invasion/annexation

        The only invasion I’m seeing is US Navy vessels encircling the island and threatening their economy.

        they hold a gun to the head of pretty much all of the most advanced chip fabrication in the world

        That’s been the American line for going on ten years. But the real gun has always been the Pacific Fleet, threatening to repeat the crimes of Vietnam on Chinese civilians, much like they did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and now Venezuela and Nigeria.

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          The only invasion I’m seeing is US Navy vessels encircling the island and threatening their economy.

          Saying this on the same day that Chinese warships encircled Taiwan.

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              22 hours ago

              Wtf are you talking about? Imperialist China just finished encircling Taiwan in a “defense exercise”

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                  21 hours ago

                  Yeah, China should definitely subjugate Taiwan to fend off those Americans who have no intention of attacking China and who have benefitted from trillions of dollars of trade from the US.

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                    19 hours ago

                    China should definitely subjugate Taiwan

                    Only you guys seem to think this.

                    You’re obsessed with global conquest and you think you’re in a race with China to do it.

                    who have benefitted from trillions of dollars of trade from the US.

                    Have they? Why is Taiwanese standard of living so low?

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          21 hours ago

          The only invasion I’m seeing is US Navy vessels encircling the island and threatening their economy.

          I must be going colorblind because those ships are flying a very red American flag…

          repeat the crimes of Vietnam on Chinese civilians, much like they did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and now Venezuela and Nigeria

          Lol wtf? Unless you really bought dubya’s WMD bullshit, one of these countries is not like the others… I really doubt that any Chinese civilian on Chinese soil is going to get so much as a dirty look from any US armed forces…

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            I must be going colorblind because those ships are flying a very red American flag…

            You’re spitting distance from the coast of Fujain. I gotta wonder why you’d expect to see an American warship on the Chinese coastline.

            Unless…

            Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruisers USS Antietam (CG 54) and USS Chancellorsville (CG 62) are conducting a routine Taiwan Strait transit August 28 (local time) through waters where high seas freedoms of navigation and overflight apply in accordance with international law.

            Crazy how it’s international waters when an American warship is in them.

            I really doubt that any Chinese civilian on Chinese soil is going to get so much as a dirty look from any US armed forces…

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_espionage_in_China

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              Crazy how it’s international waters when an American warship is in them.

              Never said shit about it being international waters or claimed the US Navy was never there, we were talking about encircling Taiwan which the PRC literally just did. I hope you have the same decorum about US ships totally not practicing invasions of Mexico (😉). It’s right over the border after all.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_espionage_in_China

              Come on champ, you can do better than that. We’re talking about big scary warships and military bases and all you can link me is some run of the mill espionage shit? And it’s on Wikipedia no less, I’m gonna need to revoke your tankie card.

              You’re name dropping Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam, I need a chance of a military occupation or some Hueys blaring CCR. Give me a real military threat that requires a show of force on this puny island. If flimsy proxy wars counted the USA would be the #1 most righteous belligerent in every conflict from 1945 onward with how much the KGB/GRU tickled them.

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                we were talking about encircling Taiwan which the PRC

                How do Chinese ships depart from Fujain without encircling Taiwan? Literally look at your own maps. They’re neighbors.

                Might as well declare Australia is encircling New Zealand.

                Are these international waters or aren’t they? Do ships have right of passage or don’t they? Or is it your belief that Taiwanese waters are American territory?

                Come on champ, you can do better than that.

                You want to play at denialism then scream about foreign aggression. No wonder nobody takes your foreign policy seriously anymore

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                  How do Chinese ships depart from Fujain without encircling Taiwan?

                  You are an absolute clown:

                  China’s Eastern Theatre Command conducted 10 hours of live-fire exercises, launching rockets into waters to the north and south of [Taiwan] […] naval and air force units also simulated strikes on maritime and aerial targets and carried out anti-submarine drills around the island, while state media released images touting Beijing’s technological and military superiority […] China’s military said on Monday that simulating a blockade of Taiwan’s deep-water Port of Keelung to the island’s north and Kaohsiung to Taiwan’s south, its largest port city, was central to the drills.

                  I can read you, verbatim, CCP press releases saying they are doing this to intimidate Taiwan (“[they will] smash their heads bloody against the iron walls of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army”) and you pretend they’re just out for a sight seeing cruise. Absolutely incredible levels of delusion. Xi should mail you some kind of medal for this…

                  You want to play at denialism then scream about foreign aggression.

                  Lmfao what did I deny?? I didn’t deny anything in any comment! I’m the one drawing the obvious parallels to US aggression! You’re just pulling from your stock response bag because your argument is completely hollow.

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                    You are an absolute clown

                    The US and Taiwan signed a two-year specialized training program for Taiwan’s navy, the Ministry of National Defense said today, in an unexpected announcement confirming US training.

                    The US has a history of stationing military instructors and special ops teams in Taiwan to quietly assist with training, but details have been classified.

                    On Jan. 2, the ministry’s military delegation to the US signed an agreement with the American Institute in Taiwan, an announcement from the ministry showed.

                    We can do this all day. China drilling to repel a US assault is about as threatening as the US running drills out of Hawaii.

                    Weird that the US is running drills significantly farther East.

                    I can read you, verbatim, CCP press releases saying they are doing this to intimidate Taiwan

                    You can read US agitprop that selectively quotes and mistranslates statements. Or you can just throw up generic statements with a flashlight under your chin.

                    Lmfao what did I deny??

                    Jesus, it’s like Charlie Kirk never died with this level of bullshit

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          You think the USA is going to start an aggressive boots-on-ground assault on China?

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              China is a nuclear power. With a much larger population than the USA. What exactly do you imagine the hypothetical war-goals would be here?

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                Dude is high on his own supply. China is simultaneously the weakest and strongest global power depending on what argument needs to be made