Thoughts?

Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn’t it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    I must be going colorblind because those ships are flying a very red American flag…

    You’re spitting distance from the coast of Fujain. I gotta wonder why you’d expect to see an American warship on the Chinese coastline.

    Unless…

    Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruisers USS Antietam (CG 54) and USS Chancellorsville (CG 62) are conducting a routine Taiwan Strait transit August 28 (local time) through waters where high seas freedoms of navigation and overflight apply in accordance with international law.

    Crazy how it’s international waters when an American warship is in them.

    I really doubt that any Chinese civilian on Chinese soil is going to get so much as a dirty look from any US armed forces…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_espionage_in_China

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      18 hours ago

      Crazy how it’s international waters when an American warship is in them.

      Never said shit about it being international waters or claimed the US Navy was never there, we were talking about encircling Taiwan which the PRC literally just did. I hope you have the same decorum about US ships totally not practicing invasions of Mexico (😉). It’s right over the border after all.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_espionage_in_China

      Come on champ, you can do better than that. We’re talking about big scary warships and military bases and all you can link me is some run of the mill espionage shit? And it’s on Wikipedia no less, I’m gonna need to revoke your tankie card.

      You’re name dropping Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam, I need a chance of a military occupation or some Hueys blaring CCR. Give me a real military threat that requires a show of force on this puny island. If flimsy proxy wars counted the USA would be the #1 most righteous belligerent in every conflict from 1945 onward with how much the KGB/GRU tickled them.

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        6 hours ago

        we were talking about encircling Taiwan which the PRC

        How do Chinese ships depart from Fujain without encircling Taiwan? Literally look at your own maps. They’re neighbors.

        Might as well declare Australia is encircling New Zealand.

        Are these international waters or aren’t they? Do ships have right of passage or don’t they? Or is it your belief that Taiwanese waters are American territory?

        Come on champ, you can do better than that.

        You want to play at denialism then scream about foreign aggression. No wonder nobody takes your foreign policy seriously anymore

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          6 hours ago

          How do Chinese ships depart from Fujain without encircling Taiwan?

          You are an absolute clown:

          China’s Eastern Theatre Command conducted 10 hours of live-fire exercises, launching rockets into waters to the north and south of [Taiwan] […] naval and air force units also simulated strikes on maritime and aerial targets and carried out anti-submarine drills around the island, while state media released images touting Beijing’s technological and military superiority […] China’s military said on Monday that simulating a blockade of Taiwan’s deep-water Port of Keelung to the island’s north and Kaohsiung to Taiwan’s south, its largest port city, was central to the drills.

          I can read you, verbatim, CCP press releases saying they are doing this to intimidate Taiwan (“[they will] smash their heads bloody against the iron walls of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army”) and you pretend they’re just out for a sight seeing cruise. Absolutely incredible levels of delusion. Xi should mail you some kind of medal for this…

          You want to play at denialism then scream about foreign aggression.

          Lmfao what did I deny?? I didn’t deny anything in any comment! I’m the one drawing the obvious parallels to US aggression! You’re just pulling from your stock response bag because your argument is completely hollow.

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            You are an absolute clown

            The US and Taiwan signed a two-year specialized training program for Taiwan’s navy, the Ministry of National Defense said today, in an unexpected announcement confirming US training.

            The US has a history of stationing military instructors and special ops teams in Taiwan to quietly assist with training, but details have been classified.

            On Jan. 2, the ministry’s military delegation to the US signed an agreement with the American Institute in Taiwan, an announcement from the ministry showed.

            We can do this all day. China drilling to repel a US assault is about as threatening as the US running drills out of Hawaii.

            Weird that the US is running drills significantly farther East.

            I can read you, verbatim, CCP press releases saying they are doing this to intimidate Taiwan

            You can read US agitprop that selectively quotes and mistranslates statements. Or you can just throw up generic statements with a flashlight under your chin.

            Lmfao what did I deny??

            Jesus, it’s like Charlie Kirk never died with this level of bullshit

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              Nice, glad to see you admitting defeat. Fucking quotes from the CCP are agitprop? Give me a fucking break. Go ahead and translate those for me; you’re clearly a bastion of free and rational thinking. Oh wait, you can’t read anything but English and are arbitrarily choosing to discard sources that don’t fit your bias? Anything that runs counter to your red fanfic is a lie or a conspiracy.

              The sheer lack of basic logic is incredible. You think that the USA is sneaking in and forcing Taiwan to prepare for PRC military action? Like they’ve got a gun to these poor Taiwanese soldiers forcing them to do push ups? The people of Taiwan want them there to maintain the status quo against PRC annexation. The polls say that in no uncertain terms (as I’ve covered in other comments). Maybe they wouldn’t be so willing to jump at the USA’s aid if they didn’t have fucking PRC rockets landing all around them.

              Conversely, if the PRC held domain over Taiwan then they wouldn’t allow this interference. But they clearly don’t if Taiwan is acting independently to protect its own sovereignty. If you ignore reality by starting with “PRC owns Taiwan” then no shit your circular logic will justify any PRC action. This is insane.

              “Stop training to defend against a PRC invasion invade mainland China [with your 150k troops 😂] or we’ll invade you” is a lunatic stance when you’re preaching peaceful reunification. Is this tiny island with 1% of your population a military threat? Or is the superpower with ICBM nukes the problem? Because if so, bullying [sorry "protecting"] Taiwan does literally nothing but feed plausible excuses to the USA hegemony machine. Ignore Taiwan and go run those drills off of Hawaii if you’re dying to be a tough guy. But if they’re not doing that then they must have a different plan in mind 🤔…

              Now go ahead, it’s your turn to pick some minor point in this dead simple logic and try to counter it by citing an anonymous blog post or something…

              Also I’m still waiting for you to tell me what I denied, I don’t think eye rolling is a real answer 🙄

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                11 minutes ago

                Nice, glad to see you admitting defeat.

                The people of Taiwan want them there to maintain the status quo against PRC annexation.

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