right now I’m trying a dedicated Jellyfin instance for audio only (bought the lifetime emby subscription before i learned about jellyfin, so video is elsewhere) but having trouble finding a good client that could run on the guts of an old autonomic MMS2A. That device has an analog and digital output, which with the normal OS treated as two separate sources. is that something anyone else has tinkered with? the original plan was to just run a kodi instance with the jellyfin addon, but im not sure if this has the horsepower to run kodi, and certainly not two at once! (4gb of ram max for this beast.
i need it to be remotely controllable, it’d be cool to have easy playlist management/backup that other devices could see, and potentially an android client if possible?
I’ve dabbled with the “____sonic” ecosystem back before i was really good at linux, and struggled a bunch, before giving up without anything real to show for it.
just curious if anyone else has been down this road successfully!
thanks for this community, my scrolling stops INSTANTLY when i see a post from here.
(oh my music server is a truenas SMB share, hosted in a proxmox vm! not opposed to putting a big SSD in this device if local music would make things easier)
I use Jellyfin with FinAmp for Android. Even supports offline caching.
Navidrome server, symfonium on android is amazing. I also use maloja and multi-scrobbler to caoture plays from multiple sources and keep a in-house record of my plays.
Symfonium looks amazing except for the part where you need a google play account to use it. It literally has every feature I’ve been looking for.
There is a way without Google Play outlined here: https://support.symfonium.app/t/how-can-i-pay-for-symfonium-without-google-play/1290/2
I’ve found Tempo to be one of the better alternatives you can find on f-droid
I use it and like its UI but it doesn’t properly support offline, you can just download single tracks. By proper offline support I mean something like Audinaut, which unfortunately doesn’t work in new Android versions
I worked around that by making a smart playlist in Navidrome with all my tracks sorted by date added. In Tempo you can then download the entire playlist.
Just use AuroraStore to avoid google play account. You can even pay the Symfonium creator through a hacky workarround and get your full access without Google Play.
That’s an official way you can read it on Symfoniums forum somwhere !
ewwww really? not even Aurora store?
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I got an SMB sync app on my phone, stores any new music I’ve found into the network folder and syncs it up on my phone.
Sorted. Wherever I get more tracks from, they’re available on all my devices.
Plex and PlexAmp
It’s unpopular around here, but Plexamp is fantastic.
Completely agree. I paid for Symfonium after seeing a lot of people on here raving about it but I still ended up back with Plexamp. I’d be curious to hear what people find other apps do better than plexamp.
The other apps don’t harvest my data, for one
What did you dislike about synfonium? I’m considering switching since I don’t have a plex subscription anyway so I did not get to enjoy the sonic analysis featured etc.
I can’t say there was anything that I really disliked about it, I actually really liked the app overall but I’ve been using Plexamp since basically the first public release so that just feels a bit more familiar. Plus I heavily use the sonic analysis features which I don’t believe exist outside of plexamp (please someone tell me if I’m wrong here).
Plex and Plexamp. I know the dislike for Plex here, but it works for me and Plexamp is a fantastic piece of kit which, in opinion is worth the lifetime sub alone.
Plexamp is mind blowingly good. Great UX. Perfect reliability. No discovery/ads up in your face. Just you listening to your music how you like it. Streaming is ROCK SOLID. Downloads work flawlessly. It just relies on proper metadata in Plex.
Yep same, Plexamp is the reason I used plex still
I currently host Navidrome, which has an okay web player. On Android I use “Tempo” (though it is unmaintained) to connect to it, and on Linux I use Tauon (though it has very poor playback). I could not find a native Linux client that is not buggy unfortunately, so I’m also on the lookout for better solutions! I’m not familiar with the device you are talking about but every client I tried supports MPRIS, which are the regular media controls that can be used via the
playerctlcommand, so you should be able to hook things up that way.I have just set up Navidrome from the first time and I’m using Feishin as my Linux desktop client. I installed it via nix because it isn’t in the Fedora repos as far as I could tell
I did use Feishin for a while, it’s an excellent music player but unfortunately not a native program. I might switch back to it from Tauon though, as actually playing the whole song before going to the next is a pretty nice upgrade hehe
Can’t recommend symfonium enough it’s really great even better then plexamp
It is, but it requires GPlay to operate and maintain your sub.
I switched to Subtracks when I dumped Google.
It looks really good indeed, and I don’t mind at all to pay for apps (I pay for FairEmail)… however it is very strange for me to add a nonfree app to the list I use every day… everything else is open source.
Have you had problems on android with tempo not continuing playback?
I also run navidrome, and have tried tempo, substreamer, and another client I can’t think of, and any of the clients that stream keep stopping playback after one song when the screen is locked.
I’ve given the client all the permissions for running in the background and using battery that I can and no matter what I do, it’ll just stop after one song.
I’m on a pixel 7a with gOS.
For now I’ve settled on Poweramp with tla selection of the music on my phone since I can’t fit it all in storage. Its been really frustrating.
Hmm no, I haven’t had this issue. Tempo works fine for me, it’s been mostly bug-free except for a few oversights:
- search doesn’t work offline
- can’t play AAC files
- can’t skip songs via my Pebble watch
I’m (still) on a Pixel 3a, running LineageOS, in case that matters.
Ultrasonic works fine for me, on my pixel9 with Navidrome. Plays in the background just fine as well.
I’ll give ultrasonic a try. Thank you.
pixel7a gOS gang rise up!
🤜🤛
Sometimes I get this error you mentioned but I’m usually driving and can’t see what track triggers this behavior but I guess this has something to do with the song format or codec. I usually just hit next and play to keep listening to my songs …
Navidrome, Feishin, Tempo.
Plex Server + Plexamp.
Hosted with Jellyfin, for clients I use Symfonium on Android and Feishin on desktop.
All my music is stored in a folder on my NAS, broken down by artist, release. It can be accessed via SMB, SFTP, Jellyfin and Plex. From there I stream to what ever device I’m using. Wireguard, Tailscale or Plex is required to stream outside my home. Navidrome sounds interesting.
Why do I see no mentions of Ampache here? From what I found, it was the only program except Navidrome to support nested smart playlist, and Ampache has the editor directly in the web interface.
Anyways, I host mine too! Over 2TB of music files on my server, and it runs pretty well.
2TB? How!
Currently sat on 5GB across 920 files
Well, I don’t actually play all of them in a straight line; it’s more of an archive. Still, my main playlist is few thousand songs long, which is created with smart playlists.
I’m close to a TB myself. For me, I’m a bit of a “completionist” and can’t stand having just 2 or 3 tracks from an entire album. Every track I have is accompanied by the rest of the album it was released on.
Sure, it means there are some duplicates at times, but it’s worth it to me.
Same. There are some tracks and albums I don’t like, but I won’t delete them. Another reason to use smart playlist, I can just put them into “Not My Style” playlist and it’s magically gone from my main list.
Wow. Maybe create some torrents out of your collection? 😉
They’re available in Soulseek! Both Soulseek and Ampache share the same directory. I was thinking of creating a torrent, but I am still in the process of deduplicating them, so I decided against it.
slsk and nicotine+ have been so cool for so long!
i feel bad when im likely destroying someone’s uploads because i found a hidden treasure of FLACs from some older or obscure artists
Don’t feel bad, just share back :)
Uncompressed flac? That’s a shit ton of music…
Item Count: 74939 | Duration: 5274:37:36
Damn, and I thought my 30k plus tracks was pretty large. I use Navidrome as a server and slskd as well
I’m a very satisfied #jellyfin user. I have my music and movie files shared there. I use different clients: a rpi 5 with kodi and jellydin plugin; an old RPI B with volumio; in android, finamp and also share with dlna.
+1 for Volumio! I didn’t know it can use Jellyfin as a media source. To be fair, I just started using Jellyfin and didn’t want to migrate everything to it until being sure it will stay. So far it’s looking very good though.
Yes. There is a plugin to use jellyfin as a source in volumio. It’s the best.
Honestly just in ~/Music and stuff I’d like to listen to on the go gets copied onto my phone.
Navidrome for me. Installed via Yunohost.
This!
My use case: collection based on single-flac + cuesheets, thousands, many of which are HD. Setup: all the music is in an NFS share in my HTPC, which also runs Kodi (flatpak) for both video and audio media. That machine is connected to my main audio setup via USB DAC.
The Kodi music DB is hosted externally in mariaDB in the same server. I use 2 headless Kodi (OSMC) clients with HiFiBerry DACs as streamers around the house, using the same DB/media. Lastly I also have an Nvidia Shield running Kodi also exposing the same collection/DB.
Over the years I have tested many alternatives, including navidrome, volumio, and others, but they all struggle handling my music collection, choke processing cuesheets or don’t even support them, or can’t handle NFS reliably or at all, or can’t process 24 bit content etc.
I couldn’t find any solution nearly as reliable, performant or flexible as this one. I use this setup pretty much daily. With incremental improvements, it’s been running for more than 10 years.
Each Kodi client can be managed via its web interface (a little dated but fully functional and reliable), amd via Android app (I use Yatse).
The main server also exposes the music collection via DLNA.
I looked at jellyfin/Plex in the past as well but for muy use case, it’s over-complicated and didn’t add value.
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when i first saw and played with music assistant i was absolutely amazed for a bit. the ability to sling tunes to any device that can be seen on the network with all metadata available on a home assistant (adjacent) dashboard? sign me up! i was thrilled at the audiobook/podcast support as well. able to tie in tidal and local music with announcement capabilities… just awesome!
i can’t remember the exact reason why but it didn’t quite work perfectly for me, as far as “checking all the boxes”
the companion app wasn’t quite designed to be a music source and would stop playing if screen was locked for a few seconds? on webpage it is like, constantly spamming KDE connect to continue playing, even when sending to another device.
i am following music assistant for sure though!
My favorite use case for MASS is my desktop PC, in our bedroom, has a decent 5.1 sound system, and is running squeezelite.
I have an alarm automation that starts playing from the random 500 playlist.
When my phone connects to my car’s Bluetooth, it transfers the queue to my phone, which is running snapcast on a VPN.
When my phone disconnects from my Bluetooth, and I am at home, it transfers any queue from my phone back to my desktop.
If I’m not at home it just stops the music, otherwise it’ll start playing through the phone speakers.
While at work, I’ll use Ultrasonic rather than music assistant, because my data inside my work area is sporadic, and not conducive to a good musical experience with how MASS streams.
holy shit this is the kind of stuff that piques my interest! Flawless location hopping eh? is this descended from the old Logitech platform? will CERTAINLY look into this
That I’m not sure of, I know MASS uses snapcast internally, and can stream to LMS/squeezelite players.
I also wouldn’t call it 100% flawless, but it works well enough for me.
This project shows a lot of promise and I am following it. I run HomeAssistant as well in my home server. At this time though (or:last time I checked) it didn’t support cuesheets at all, it fell a little short for my use case.
i do love me some Kodi/libreELEC!
how hard is it to stand up a headless kodi? this would still work with jellyfin with addon, but it might be REALLY FUN to install a kodi addon with no screen
also i am having trouble hunting down what cuesheets means in this context?
also i am having trouble hunting down what cuesheets means in this context?
When you rip an audio CD you can either create one file for each track or you can rip the entire CD as one track and create a cue sheet file which is basically a text file describing where each track starts in that single audio file. This can be useful to have an exact copy of the CD without adding unintended gaps between tracks. It is primarily useful if you intend on recreating the actual audio CD at a later time from the ripped data. Most people don’t need this.
Cool nick! But it could be even better!
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ooolala TIL! thanks!
For doing Kodi GUI setup changes in a headless setup in the RPis remotely, I use a VNC server installed in them that I start on-demand (when needed), e.g dispmanx. Needing this is a once-in-a-few-years type event, but yes you need this installed just in case.
