Who’s to say the issue was necessarily with the server. Dishes being dirty, or the food having issues wouldn’t be their fault. Also your assumption does really depend on the restaurant and how they manage tipping.

My issue isn’t with the service staff, it’s with business owners who are increasingly abusing their workers by offloading their pay onto tips. I mainly fight this by just not eating out or eating out at places where tipping isn’t customary. Also for what it’s worth I only stay stateside a portion of the year, where else I stay tipping is unusual, not unheard of but definitely not a common thing people do. So in the end instead of 15% they get 0% because I didn’t go out to eat and of course the business owner gets $0.

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Not me but I’ve known three people now that would swing to absolute extremes on a kinda half year to three year cycle. Like their thing now is they are an ultra atheist and then in a couple months they were the most devout Muslim possible and then ultra this and ultra that, seemed kinda like undiagnosed manic behavior. Very impassioned individuals, pretty intelligent, absolutely convinced in whatever their thing was at that moment, always trying to fight the “enemy” and save the world type stuff but seemingly totally unanchored. The switches would come with some sort of epiphany or a sense they were being tricked or fooled. I bring this up because two of them had done that swing from ultra right to ultra left and then one into kinda political no man’s land conspiracy they’re both out to get you. Haven’t run into the other guy in a while so I’m guessing he has a new crusade by now.

Sure but that wasn’t what I ever argued for. Doing work for no pay outside of a volunteer position or something like family is a bad situation no matter what.

It’s like you didn’t read my comments at all. I never said anything about not tipping at all outside of the circumstance where I never went to the restaurant to begin with. If I don’t go then the owner gets $0 and the server gets $0 since I didn’t use their service or purchase their product aka they both get 0%.

The scenario you’re bringing up really has nothing to do with anything I’ve said this entire time.

So getting a 15% tip is worse than getting no business at all?

Maybe on an individual level but if no one goes there won’t be a restaurant or that job for long. Getting something is typically better than getting nothing.

I tip what was once normal or even generous a few years ago and generally avoid places that push this behavior so the business owner and the employees get nothing from me. Mostly though if I eat out it’s at places where tipping isn’t customary.

Yes, I’m aware. Workers in certain restaurants make quite a lot, even more than some engineers with degrees I know.

Called someone in the next room to bring me something.

If you piss off food staff anywhere on earth your food may be tampered with. Now what people consider to be rude can be unique in different places.

I mostly decrease eating out which is arguably worse because now they get a 0% tip. If enough people avoid establishments that abuse tipping then the problem will solve itself.

Irl, culture. 15% is becoming an insult but is still normal or acceptable most places. If you ever want to return to a restaurant and not have your food tampered with its best to keep with some agreeable norm. At 10% I wouldn’t suggest being a frequent visitor anywhere for your health and wellbeing. To zoom out a little, there’s been no country I have lived in where the culture was 100% agreeable even to the majority. We’re all policed in some way or another by it.

It’s almost as if we should have taken climate change seriously 40+ years ago.

These days I’ve seen people trying to push 30% to 40% as the minimum tip. Either that or they sneak it in with service charges or gratuity fees with a suggestion of a 25% tip on top.

Don’t worry American citizens are also confused by the expensive tipping culture in the US. I still maintain 15% for a good job, 10% for a mediocre job, 5% for anything below. Giving above 15% is just subsidizing the pay the employer should be giving. It’s a symptom of the fact that wages have stagnated for over 50 years. The pay that once supported someone and even a child is now far below the poverty line for even an individual. So instead of increasing pay to match what it once was many businesses have turned to aggressive tipping over just increasing the prices of their service / products.

I mean the same thing in the US, a lot of silicon valley folk make much more than most doctors, although If I was thinking about finances like that while dating I would be after an Nvidia employee.

So the tourists get off and then don’t buy anything? Seems there’s more than enough money to go around but the E-corp is paying off local politicians to keep all the money in their hands.

Hasn’t that been the case for like a long time already? They control a substantial portion of the country’s gdp and their upper management is essentially royalty.