Fighting between the two nuclear rivals has intensified amid international concerns and calls for cooling off

Some 125 Indian and Pakistani fighter jets battled for over an hour in one of the biggest dogfights in recent history, according to a Pakistani security source quoted by CNN.

If the numbers of aircraft were confirmed, it would make it one of the largest air battles since World War Two.

  • Quacksalber@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1553·
    23 hours ago

    Some 125 Indian and Pakistani fighter jets battled for over an hour in one of the biggest dogfights in recent history, according to a Pakistani security source quoted by CNN.

    A total of 125 fighter jets engaged in an hour-long aerial battle, with both sides confined to their own airspace as long-range missiles were exchanged at distances surpassing 100 miles, CNN said.

    So no dogfight at all. Thanks, Newsweek.

    • FreezerBurnt@lemmy.squids.caEnglish
      14·
      7 hours ago

      That’s the reality of a modern day “dog fight”. All radar and ECM…

      No one said modern war would be more exciting…

    • peoplebeproblems@midwest.socialEnglish
      8310·
      23 hours ago

      That’s modern dogfighting. Don’t viate enemy airspace so ground AA can’t get you. Rely on BVR missiles because if you are in range with guns something went terribly wrong

      • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
        1281·
        23 hours ago

        On the off chance that you’re not joking, what @Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works is pointing out:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight

        A dogfight, or dog fight, is an aerial battle between fighter aircraft that is conducted at close range.

        A “dogfight” isn’t just a synonym for an air-to-air engagement, but specifically refers to a close-range one.

          • copd@lemmy.worldEnglish
            22·
            5 hours ago

            Falklands had several well documented ones. mirages vs harriers with aim9Ls, it didn’t end well for the Argentines

          • Not_mikey@slrpnk.netEnglish
            15·
            17 hours ago

            There were some in the first gulf war. People forget but iraq had the sixth largest airforce at the time and were able to shoot down a couple American planes before being overwhelmed and fleeing to Iran.

        • kozy138@lemm.eeEnglish
          12·
          14 hours ago

          I mean, if we consider that some long-range middle engagements are launched from thousand of miles away, surely 100mi can be considered ‘close range’ by comparison?

          How long does it even take a jet to travel 100mi when going Mach 2 or 3?

      • merdaverse@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        17 hours ago

        This is most modern day combat. Getting shot at by things from tens to hundreds of kms. Most people think of WW2 action movies, which are already pretty unrealistic. Or maybe in this case Star Wars dogfights, which are just… lol

    • Renohren@lemmy.todayEnglish
      11·
      23 hours ago

      So the air version of their border guard dancy thing where the challenge is who stomps the loudest wins, while random people around enjoy the ridiculous show while eating pop corn.

        • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
          6·
          18 hours ago

          I think what @Renohren@lemmy.world’s referring to is that India and Pakistan have, in the past, conducted nonviolent ceremonies at the border involving soldiers from each side.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LixwXJpggME

          I believe that the painting that you’re talking about was from an American Civil War battle that was close enough to a city (Washington DC?) that spectators decided to show up to watch. A bunch of people (including, IIRC, spectators) did die. That wasn’t being done with the intent of ceremony.

          kagis

          The First Battle of Bull Run.

          https://www.history.com/articles/worst-picnic-in-history-was-interrupted-by-war

          On July 21, 1861, Washingtonians trekked to the countryside near Manassas, Virginia, to watch Union and Confederate forces clash in the first major battle of the American Civil War. Known in the North as the First Battle of Bull Run and in the South as the Battle of First Manassas, the military engagement also earned the nickname the “picnic battle” because spectators showed up with sandwiches and opera glasses. These onlookers, who included a number of U.S. congressmen, expected a victory for the Union and a swift end to the war that had begun three months before.

          Instead, the battle that day resulted in a bloody defeat for the Union and sent the picnickers scrambling to safety.

          Just to confirm, Tineye finds one match corresponding to your image, called “CivalWar_PicnicAtManassas.jpg”, so I suspect that’s from that battle.

          I don’t think that I’d call that very representative of even American Civil War battles, though, much less of all prior battles in history.

      • edric@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        22 hours ago

        Yeah, instead of shooting missiles they can just try to outdo each other in aerial maneuvers or something.