Because this has been co-opted by the far-right and has already instigated an organised violent mob (including notorious white supremacist Tommy Robinson and leader of far-right party Reform Nigel Farage) to attack police and try to get to the murderer’s family’s home (these same groups tried to burn asylum-seekers alive a year or two ago) and the doxxing of two officers who are falsely being claimed to be the officers involved, let’s have some facts
To preface this: none of this is excusing or justifying the actions of the police. There is an investigation underway, and it’s unquestionably true that there are serious issues which need to be addressed. This is just the facts of the case, as laid out in court, by the coroner, and by the presiding judge in his summation
The police *did* check for stab wounds and when they found them they immediately uncuffed him and started administering medical help. He was cuffed for 1 minute. He was getting help 3 minutes after the police first arrived
The knife had penetrated a vein close to his lungs. There is nothing anybody could have done to save him, even if it had been an ambulance full of surgeons who had arrived instead of the police, because nobody could have found and got to the vein in time
It was dark, and he was wearing dark clothes which, coupled with the internal nature of his injuries, made it difficult to see that he had been stabbed
It is very common for someone who has been cuffed to claim to be ill or injured in order to be uncuffed and to try to escape
The murder weapon had already been removed from the scene by the time the police arrived
It was the murderer who called the police, reporting himself as the victim and his victim as the perpetrator. He had members of his family with him who backed up his side of the story
Again, this doesn’t excuse what happened or eliminate the obvious systemic failures. But before going in all guns blazing, make sure you know the full facts, and be conscious of whose narrative you may be amplifying. Also bear in mind that the family have said that they hold the murderer “100% responsible” for Nowak’s death, and that they do not want this incident to be used to spread division
The murder is absolutely terrible, but I’ve seen people online claim this is somehow worse than the murder of George Floyd, who was slowly murdered by a police officer over a period if 9 minutes, on camera, while people called for him to stop, and afterwards some people (even today) still defend the murderer.
Here, the murderer is obviously terrible, but the police just fucked up because they incorrectly judged the situation.
Nobody is defending the murderer, nobody is saying the police did the right thing, and the police was just being stupid rather than malicious, and corrected as soon as they discovered the error.
This is just cops being cops. They decide who’s guilty and innocent immediately and then treat people that way.
This is exactly why you should support minorities being treated fairly. While they’re the ones who get this treatment 95 times out of 100, the point is that skin color isn’t gonna save you. When cops decide they don’t like you, you’re fucked.
The murderers here did a good job of presenting the guy as the scumbag, and honestly it doesn’t take much of a nudge to get the cops to judge someone.
Yup
Rising tide raises all boats
It gets worse. His brother lied. His father tried to cover up the victim’s injuries by propping him up. His mother hid the knife.
All should be charged… That’s fucked
They have all been charged, I believe the mother has been found guilty and is due to be sentenced soon and the father and brother are in jail awaiting trial.
Ok, but why did the murderer stab the guy? They have an allegedly false reason that has been given, and also only relies on witness testimony. So what was the allegedly true reason???
Edit: found out why. He snapped after being instigated by racism.
Motive is over rated, how would you find out if everyone who’s still alive refuses to tell the truth?
his killer, Vickrum Digwa, falsely claimed Nowak had been racist
Well, if he is right and the kid WAS racist then obviously it’s completely justified to let him slowly die, the kid got what he deserved!
/s
Idk man. Depends how racist the guy was being…Situation is fucked.
That video was a hard watch. He straight up told police he had been stabbed, yet they say “no you haven’t mate”
Yeah, that’s a wild thing to tell a stabbing victim.
Fucking pigs are everywhere the same
Ffs the poor kid got martyred so now the media and fascists outlets are going to have a field day.
You know the left can also put up an effort to overwhelm them as well
A-C-A… What’s the point anymore? Also:
It has also prompted the Conservatives and Reform UK to say the UK should not have “two-tier policing,” with people treated differently because of the colour of their skin
The fucking cheek, there’s real evidence for this being the case and I’m pretty sure reform/conservatives will like what that evidence says. Anyways I’ll just leave this here
Also pretty fucking bold of the Tories to make such claims when they’re the fucking reason policing is in the current state…
US and UK getting more and more alike by the day
One has yet to cross the line into building death camps, I hope they don’t.
Look at what connects them. End private media.
The BBC is the biggest public media organisation on the planet….
Print media is included. English print media is a plague
Getting less and less funding by the day, and struggling to weather the storm of alternative media, just like the rest of the established old-press.
Watch this case, these are far-right protesters claiming:
Far-right figures have seized on the case and firebrand Tommy Robinson spoke at a rally in the southern city of Southampton where the murder took place, claiming police treat white British people as “second-rate citizens”.
It’s tailor-made for them. They’ve been complaining for decades that sikhs are allowed to carry daggers in public for religious reasons, and now someone’s been murdered with one, and when the police came they arrested the victim for racism.
Wee Tommy and the rest of the far right mob will dining out on this for years.
He was murdered by a second, much larger, knife, which wasn’t covered by the allowance for ceremonial knives for religious reasons, so the killer was already breaking existing knife laws. It’s not like Steven Yaxley ‘Tommy Robinson’ Lenon and his supporters will ever care about this, though.
Government shows flagrant disrespect and disregard for its people. And then the leadershit has the balls to ask “why aren’t people reproducing anymore?” Gee you fucking morons, why do you think?
Time to do nothing, once again
Some might say he felt …
… Sikh
I thought we were supposed to punch Nazis in the face. Here, it looked like a Nazi was punished for his racist opinions.
It turns out he wasn’t a Nazi. Some people of color had falsely accused him and covered up the severity of the attack on him. But in the Lemmyverse, we can tell who’s who, so the Nazis don’t need a trial.
What in the world are you talking about?
I think maybe I get it, and there could be a reasonable thought buried deep in the short spurt of nonsense.
But dude’s gotta learn to speak if that’s the case.
White guy was stabbed by a brown person. Brown person denied the stabbing and said the white person attacked him and it was racially motivated. Brown person was not attacked and white person ended up not being a racist piece of trash. Police arrested bleeding white guy, white guy tells police he is stabbed and can’t breathe. Police told white guy he was not stabbed and white guy died because of his injuries while being arrested.
I appreciate you summarising the actual story/news article, but that is not what I was asking about.
My comment was a reply to rambling about… “Lemmy says to punch Nazis and this is what happens when you don’t allow people to make mistakes” which was barely comprehensible, chock full of false assumptions about what happened and what Lemmy users think, and topped off with a smidge of Nazi apologia.
I think the comment I replied to has since been removed as I can’t see it anymore, so I’m guessing you saw my comment as a top-level comment. No biggie.
Anyway, while I’m here, I’ll leave my actual thoughts on the story itself, which is that it’s a horrible tragedy. It’s also sickening how the far right are hijacking his parents’ grief to stir division and make some delusional point about white people being oppressed in the UK. Police have a lot to answer for on this one.
The correct response to this tragedy is that all people should be treated equally in the eyes of the law, regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum.
Yes, that is what I referring to when I said that police have a lot to answer for. How multiple police officers fail to notice the victim was stabbed in is mind-boggling, let alone while he is literally telling them this. This is a level of incompetence that actually makes dystopian levels of job automation (including policing) seem favourable.
I think “where you fall on the political spectrum” is quite a personal thing for the attending police officers to know, as opposed to demographic information. I doubt you are insinuating that white people have uniform political opinions
You are correct, white people absolutely do not have uniform political opinions.
A world in which it’s ok to punch Nazis in the face because no one ever makes a mistake.
So punching someone in the face it’s equal to stabbing someone to death, according to you?
I don’t think we should stab or punch people because we suspect they are Nazis. If they commit a crime, let the criminal justice system take care of it. I’m not in favor of vigilantism.
I can hear your silent rage as we honour all those Nazi killers in the past. Why are you bringing up the 40’s anyway?
Is it ok to kill Nazis? Shoot them, bomb them, gas them, firebomb them? History tells us it’s so, certainly mistakes were made, but we consider it a net good. But merely punching them? That’s beyond the pale.
Noted. We should be bombing Hampshire.
Noted. You think Hampshire is full of Nazis? Why do you think Hampshire is full of Nazis?
How do you get from, history celebrates those that killed Nazis and that’s bad, to bombing Hampshire?
When people talk about punching Nazis in the face, they are talking (mostly) about people who were not even alive in the 1940s, let alone official members of the Nazi Party. They’re talking about people who are in the modern right wing, or centrists, or in some cases liberal Democrats.
They advocate punching such people in the face because their hateful rhetoric can lead to violence.
You’re the one connecting the celebration of bombing and “murdering” (I guess you think acts of war and judicial executions are murder) Nazis in the past to punching Nazis now. I think it wasn’t OK to stab this victim even if he called the other guy a slur for Pakistanis. But others advocate extrajudicial acts of violence against “Nazis” where it’s their rules and perceptions that determine who is a Nazi and who is not.
Bombing Birmingham because it might have some people with Nazi-adjacent political opinions seemed like a logical extension of your train of thought. You were mocking me for thinking punching Nazis is wrong because it was celebrated to kill actual Nazis during war and for crimes against humanity 80 years ago. So let’s resume the bombings then.
When people talk about punching Nazis in the face, they are talking (mostly) about people who were not even alive in the 1940s, let alone official members of the Nazi Party.
That’s correct. That’s because they’ve learned the lessons of history.
You’re the one connecting the celebration of bombing and “murdering” (I guess you think acts of war and judicial executions are murder) Nazis in the past to punching Nazis now.
You’re the one who said ‘Nazi’. You could have said ‘racist’, you could have said bigot, you chose your word. You made that connection by choosing the words you did.
I think it wasn’t OK to stab this victim even if he called the other guy a slur for Pakistanis.
We agree, don’t stab the guy to death. What’s that got to do with punching Nazis? Do you think the victim was punched? Do you think the victim was a nazi?
But others advocate extrajudicial acts of violence against “Nazis” where it’s their rules and perceptions that determine who is a Nazi and who is not.
History, lessons. The people that visited violence against Nazis are heros or villains? Why is ‘Nazi’ in quotes now?
Bombing Birmingham because it might have some people with Nazi-adjacent political opinions seemed like a logical extension of your train of thought.
Only if you believe Birmingham is full of Nazis. Else, you got some weird logic.
You were mocking me for thinking punching Nazis is wrong because it was celebrated to kill actual Nazis during war and for crimes against humanity 80 years ago. So let’s resume the bombings then.
Correct, I was, I am. History tells us Nazis are good or bad? History tells us appeasing Nazis works or doesn’t? What does work against Nazis? The lessons are there, easy to learn. Bomb whom, where are you declaring there to be Nazis? Is bombing punching? I said punching is mild compared to what we used to do, that’s all I said. Why is the internet all gas no brakes all the time?
