If you believe it was 40k people and that it’s at all relevant to the US invading than you’re the one that’s naive. If the US cared about people dying unjustifiably in other countries it would invade Israel and defund its own military afterwards.
It’s funny that right after this comment was made Trump literally just “leaked” that they had armed militia groups in Iran during the protest. Like, our government literally admitting to placing armed agitators into the protest.
Iran is its own sovereign state. It is up to the people of that state to be critical of their own government and have their own progress of civil rights movements. I am not Iranian. I don’t live in Iran. It is my job as an American to critize the actions of my government.
A government that has placed nearly 50 years of sanctions on a state that dared to overthrow Americas puppet dictator. A government that helps to provoke violence so they can install another puppet for American oil interest. A government that is literally bombing civilians, water plants, and infrastructure to force it’s will on another country.
If 10k people died or 10m people died it wouldn’t change these facts. The actions of the US government are entirely unrelated to what crimes the Iranian government commits. They are ONLY used to justify their own worse crimes on the people of Iran.
Talking about it, as an American or western citizen, is just giving legitimacy to the crimes of our own country. It’s the same as “Hamas kills gay people” used to legitimize the steps of genocide.
If you fall for these lies of the US caring about human rights it is just allowing the next step to be taken. Because they will always have some lie or reason to take that further step.
It is up to Iran and the Iranian people to bring justice to their own state. They will never be able to do that when someone like you in the west keeps falling for “There leaders are bad, so we must bomb ALL OF THEM”
And even if you don’t agree with the second part. Repeating the first part over and over only gives legitimacy to the idea that “we have to do something”. We don’t. We aren’t some moral actors. We (the USA) are selfish Imperialist that will only ever take actions in foreign countries to benefit ourselves.
So, it’s just “bull shit” to even talk about it. The US will never take actions that are for the good of an already oppressed people. So when the US starts talking about how “oppressed” some other nations people are - your “bull shit” meter should be buzzing really fucking loud.
Yes. Mentioning that plays no part in what you or I have control over. Iran is a sovereign state. Unless you are Iranian and living in Iran what purpose does it serve to focus on anything related to the internal problems of Iran? Seriously, what purpose does it serve? Tell me.
What purpose does mentioning “kid raping mullahs” serve? We have no influence over anything that happens in Iran. It is entirely irrelevant to the actions of our government too. They have no intention of doing anything about that. Our government literally protects pedophiles and has one serving as president.
I’m talking about the US and it’s bull shit. That’s what I’m talking about. That’s all I’ve ever been talking about. Because it’s the state that I can have influence on.
The only material purpose of mentioning that is to justify the actions of the US government in some way or another. Whether you personally think they are justified or not doesn’t matter.
Mate, you mentioned “the 40k dead bullshit”, not me. I simply pointed out that calling the murder of a large amount of civilians “bullshit”, is a fucked up thing to do.
And are you seriously arguing that no one should mention anything about countries that they don’t live in?
I’m not american, does that mean I am not allowed to talk about how the US are imperialist fascists?
I’m not american, does that mean I am not allowed to talk about how the US are imperialist fascists?
Can you not realize why this comparison is stupid? Like, what do you think Imperialism means? Do you think comparing Iran (a victim of Imperialism) to the literal Imperialist superpower is reasonable? Literally every citizen of the world is touched by and impacted by US Imperialism. The same cannot be said for Iran. It rulers decisions literally didn’t impact you or I until the US invaded.
This is like the people that don’t understand patriarchy saying “swap the genders” to argue. It’s ignoring the fundamental structures.
If you don’t learn from this conversation. In a few months you’ll be back here talking about how “Cuba is starving it’s citizens” as the US prepares to invade there too. Good luck mate.
There is nothing to learn from this conversation lol, you’re spewing typical tankie bs. You think no one can criticise anything about nations that oppose the US.
Saying the death of thousands of civilians is bullshit, for whatever reasons, is just plain wrong, no matter who did the killing.
I would have ciriticised you for that regardless if the US invaded or not, it has nothing to do with that.
How is what you’re doing with “40k/20k protesters were killed” any different than the people that kept saying “Hamas throws gay people off of buildings” all throughout the Palestinian genocide.
I really want to know. You have the advantage of hindsight on the later one? Is that the only difference? Are you incapable of understanding something as “bull shit” until after the fact?
Or can you use your brain just a little bit to understand why I would call it “bull shit”?
After the crimes of Israel and the US reach the point of genocide did you keep saying: “Hamas actually does oppress gay people”. Or did you correctly understand that even the mention of this was “bull shit”.
“Iran really did kill some protesters”
Will you be repeating this as thousands more die and hundreds of thousands are displaced at the hand of the US/Israel? Or can you rightfully now call it out for what it is: “bull shit” that never had anything to do with the invasion.
Hamas is oppressive and violent to gay people.
Iran uses state violence to suppress uprisings and in the process does not care if they kill innocent people.
These are true. But when they are repeated by the invading imperial force to justify their crimes THEY ARE BULL SHIT.
If you believe it was 40k people and that it’s at all relevant to the US invading than you’re the one that’s naive. If the US cared about people dying unjustifiably in other countries it would invade Israel and defund its own military afterwards.
We know that it was a lot. Might be 20k, might be 40k might be 60k. Either way, calling it “bullshit” is just fucked up.
Where did I say it justifies the war?
It’s funny that right after this comment was made Trump literally just “leaked” that they had armed militia groups in Iran during the protest. Like, our government literally admitting to placing armed agitators into the protest.
Iran is its own sovereign state. It is up to the people of that state to be critical of their own government and have their own progress of civil rights movements. I am not Iranian. I don’t live in Iran. It is my job as an American to critize the actions of my government.
A government that has placed nearly 50 years of sanctions on a state that dared to overthrow Americas puppet dictator. A government that helps to provoke violence so they can install another puppet for American oil interest. A government that is literally bombing civilians, water plants, and infrastructure to force it’s will on another country.
If 10k people died or 10m people died it wouldn’t change these facts. The actions of the US government are entirely unrelated to what crimes the Iranian government commits. They are ONLY used to justify their own worse crimes on the people of Iran.
Talking about it, as an American or western citizen, is just giving legitimacy to the crimes of our own country. It’s the same as “Hamas kills gay people” used to legitimize the steps of genocide.
If you fall for these lies of the US caring about human rights it is just allowing the next step to be taken. Because they will always have some lie or reason to take that further step.
It is up to Iran and the Iranian people to bring justice to their own state. They will never be able to do that when someone like you in the west keeps falling for “There leaders are bad, so we must bomb ALL OF THEM”
And even if you don’t agree with the second part. Repeating the first part over and over only gives legitimacy to the idea that “we have to do something”. We don’t. We aren’t some moral actors. We (the USA) are selfish Imperialist that will only ever take actions in foreign countries to benefit ourselves.
So, it’s just “bull shit” to even talk about it. The US will never take actions that are for the good of an already oppressed people. So when the US starts talking about how “oppressed” some other nations people are - your “bull shit” meter should be buzzing really fucking loud.
You are again heavily impliying that I think it justifies the war. It does not.
What kind of Horseshit is that? We can’t mention the kid raping mullahs that kill their own citizens because they oppose US Imperialism?
Yes. Mentioning that plays no part in what you or I have control over. Iran is a sovereign state. Unless you are Iranian and living in Iran what purpose does it serve to focus on anything related to the internal problems of Iran? Seriously, what purpose does it serve? Tell me.
What purpose does mentioning “kid raping mullahs” serve? We have no influence over anything that happens in Iran. It is entirely irrelevant to the actions of our government too. They have no intention of doing anything about that. Our government literally protects pedophiles and has one serving as president.
I’m talking about the US and it’s bull shit. That’s what I’m talking about. That’s all I’ve ever been talking about. Because it’s the state that I can have influence on.
The only material purpose of mentioning that is to justify the actions of the US government in some way or another. Whether you personally think they are justified or not doesn’t matter.
Mate, you mentioned “the 40k dead bullshit”, not me. I simply pointed out that calling the murder of a large amount of civilians “bullshit”, is a fucked up thing to do.
And are you seriously arguing that no one should mention anything about countries that they don’t live in?
I’m not american, does that mean I am not allowed to talk about how the US are imperialist fascists?
What an absolutely lacking take.
Can you not realize why this comparison is stupid? Like, what do you think Imperialism means? Do you think comparing Iran (a victim of Imperialism) to the literal Imperialist superpower is reasonable? Literally every citizen of the world is touched by and impacted by US Imperialism. The same cannot be said for Iran. It rulers decisions literally didn’t impact you or I until the US invaded.
This is like the people that don’t understand patriarchy saying “swap the genders” to argue. It’s ignoring the fundamental structures.
If you don’t learn from this conversation. In a few months you’ll be back here talking about how “Cuba is starving it’s citizens” as the US prepares to invade there too. Good luck mate.
There is nothing to learn from this conversation lol, you’re spewing typical tankie bs. You think no one can criticise anything about nations that oppose the US.
Saying the death of thousands of civilians is bullshit, for whatever reasons, is just plain wrong, no matter who did the killing.
I would have ciriticised you for that regardless if the US invaded or not, it has nothing to do with that.
But hey, it’s your choice to die on that hill.
How is what you’re doing with “40k/20k protesters were killed” any different than the people that kept saying “Hamas throws gay people off of buildings” all throughout the Palestinian genocide.
I really want to know. You have the advantage of hindsight on the later one? Is that the only difference? Are you incapable of understanding something as “bull shit” until after the fact?
Or can you use your brain just a little bit to understand why I would call it “bull shit”?
After the crimes of Israel and the US reach the point of genocide did you keep saying: “Hamas actually does oppress gay people”. Or did you correctly understand that even the mention of this was “bull shit”.
“Iran really did kill some protesters”
Will you be repeating this as thousands more die and hundreds of thousands are displaced at the hand of the US/Israel? Or can you rightfully now call it out for what it is: “bull shit” that never had anything to do with the invasion.
Hamas is oppressive and violent to gay people. Iran uses state violence to suppress uprisings and in the process does not care if they kill innocent people.
These are true. But when they are repeated by the invading imperial force to justify their crimes THEY ARE BULL SHIT.