Good. Israel’s people won’t ever demand reforms, if they don’t suffer for the evils they have supported.
How often is it that people demand reforms versus become galvanized in support of ‘their team’?
‘Rally behind the flag’ is the usual popular reaction, where any calls for reform that might have happened become completely unacceptable in popular culture.
Considering what was already happening to Gaza and Palestine, plus the egging on of the USA into war against Iran, I think Israel was already fully galvanized to make war. Israel up to this point has suffered no consequences for their actions, so there wasn’t real pressure to change things. Plus, they were taking territory from others and were enriching their populations - which is pretty popularizing by default.
Iran, on the other hand, wasn’t gaining new territories to grease the palms of their citizens. That gave much stronger incentives for their population to be opposed to their leadership, up until they got bombed by “freedom”.
Different nations, different circumstances.
I’m not saying whether or not an attack is justified or effective. Just saying that of the outcomes to expect, you can’t expect that popular opinion would turn as a result, except maybe to make any critics that may have had a voice suddenly not even be acceptable to speak.
Like whatever understanding one could have possibly have imagined from Iranians against the regime was pretty much gone when the US killed the kids in school.
I wish it were more.
Everyone living in Israel has the means to get out and they need to do it. Israel is one of the most expensive places to live; there is no excuse.
You may call me old-fashioned, but I’d rather not have civilians suffer. Not all of them support the actions of Israel, many were born there, some are tied to their older relatives and simply friends, partners etc. It’s also not easy to uproot your entire living, let alone rapidly fled amidst the war.
Seems a lot of them still support it anyway.
A lot, indeed. But as we can’t separate them from the rest, we can’t endorse the bombings.
If we could put those pedaling the war into one place, I’d say go ahead and nuke 'em all.
It’s also not easy to uproot your entire living, let alone rapidly fled amidst the war.
Agreed. I don’t have sympathy for the Israeli citizens because they caused others to experience this in order to steal the land.
It’s a LOT easier for the Israelis to leave than it is for the people whose land they steal.
One thing many people have surprisingly low comprehension of is that people ≠ government.
Regular Israeli civilians did not partake in the war, did not cause the apartheid, and did not steal the land. They were born there, or went there on a promise of entering a friendly Jewish community - not of murdering people.
When the latest Hamas strike happened, this has played into the hands of Israeli government and military command. They got yet another excuse to bomb the hell out of Palestine. Some civilians were scared enough to support the “retaliation”, many others vehemently opposed and denounced it.
In any case, deporting all Israelis is clearly not a solution now. Israel is their home. Imagine that your birthplace originally belonged to another country, and they wanted to take it back, sending you out wherever. Would it be reasonable to oblige, to leave your home and your entire life behind, forever?
This is catastrophic when it happens to Palestinians, and not much better should it happen to Israelis.
One thing many people have surprisingly low comprehension of is that people ≠ government.
Regular Israeli civilians did not partake in the war, did not cause the apartheid, and did not steal the land. They were born there, or went there on a promise of entering a friendly Jewish community - not of murdering people.
People defending this have a surprisingly low comprehension of the fact that Israelis, generally speaking, are literate and educated enough to be aware of the fact that most of the “Oh, we’re just a nice friendly Jewish community” is a lie and their taxes and labor will go towards supporting this stuff. Israelis are not stupid people, they are not incapable of accessing news and information from non-Israeli sources. The longer Israel continues to be such a predatory, imperial state, the less sympathy I have for the civilian population that says “Oh, I don’t actually support this, but my mom and dad live here and won’t move, so I have to stay here.” Well, fuck your mom and dad, and fuck you too if that applies to you. At this point, I only have sympathy for the small portion of the population who are either actively opposing this regime from within, or who are planning on leaving and are still in the process of finalizing their departure.
This is catastrophic when it happens to Palestinians, and not much better should it happen to Israelis.
Considering that the longer we avoid this for the Israelis, more of their neighboring countries are going to experience it, I will once again be unequivocal in saying, screw the Israelis in that case. I would much prefer that literally every resident of Israel gets told to screw off back to where they came from, rather than to see the genocide and displacement of the Palestinians be expanded to the Syrians, Lebanese and other neighboring nations, like Israel has already signaled it’s intent to do.
My sympathy for the Israeli people is directly proportional to their opposition to the actions of the Israeli government, which seems unlikely to change much, considering that this is just the continuation of decades of Israeli policy, rather than some exceptional state that only emerged because they were attacked once by Hamas. Contrary to what Israeli propaganda would have us believe, this isn’t something special that is only happening because the Israelis were shocked by one particular attack.
The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Gaza, Beiruit, Tehran, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
Literally why saying were only sending defensive arms is pointless. Giving them protection from their own violent instigations only let’s them do more damage rather than keep the country safe.
What a shock it must be to be asleep in your house and have some foreign country bomb the fuck out of non-military targets.
What a shame. Couldn’t happen to a nicer people I suppose.
Israel isn’t very used to adults that can shoot back at them, are they?
I guess sometimes it is ok to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Had to learn that lesson in 2000 when I voted for Nader. It wouldnt have made a difference since the Supreme Court got bought off to throw the election to Bush, but that was the last time I dared play the foolish game of voting my conscience in the failed democracy we call the United (lol) States.
Well I hope Israel gets the same great humanitarian treatment, which they have showned towards others.
Boy, it sure does suck when assholes miles away blow your shit up, huh? Maybe there’s a lesson to be learned here.
SHOCKED! They are SHOCKED I tell you!
Can we get “journalists” a new thesaurus please?
sorry israel killed them all
Shocked and slammed isnt enough for you?
“The Israeli military ordered an investigation into what went wrong”
You dumbfucks attacked a people that were willing/able to hit back, that’s what went wrong you absolute blithering assholes!
Do not mind the black van with mossad agents outside your house, citizen. Thank you for your cooperation
I don’t, I eat a lot of pork. Keeps em from getting too close.
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Start war, get war.
Never happened. Mr Trump says we already won the war. This is just a Democrat hoax.
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Is the Israeli public “shocked” that missile defenses are not working? I thought that this has been the widely known since the “12 Day War” last year?
The started a war with a country full of crazy and could actually fight back and relied on a leader that waffles more than my local brunch place.
