Thoughts?

Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn’t it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

  • Skavau@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    Only you guys seem to think this.

    China’s overall end-goal is specifically to annex Taiwan. Taiwanese people do not want this. What would you call this?

    Have they? Why is Taiwanese standard of living so low?

    Is it? Based on what? What data are you referring to?

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      7 hours ago

      China’s overall end-goal is specifically to annex Taiwan. Taiwanese people do not want this.

      China’s overall end goal is to build a prosperous nation, safe from future re-colonization.

      Taiwanese people are happy to trade with, travel between, and live amicable with their Chinese peers. And one day, their position on annexation may change. That’s the project Beijing leadership is working towards.

      Americans are trying to turn Taiwan into a forward operation base for regime change. And that’s what leads to these endless naval patrol pissing contests and US fear mongering campaigns aimed at Taiwanese expats.

      What data are you referring to?

      Here’s an excellent write-up

      in Taiwan, the average starting salary for a university graduate is around 33,713 New Taiwan dollars (about US$1,100), and even a department manager at a major corporation earns only about US$2,100.

      Meanwhile, housing prices in Taipei are comparable to those in Seoul—and in some areas, they even surpass Seocho, the most expensive district in the Korean capital. Until recently, people could endure thanks to relatively low living costs. But after COVID-19, things changed: not only was home ownership already out of reach, but inflation has driven everyday expenses sharply higher.

      Nothing illustrates the poverty of Taiwan’s youth more clearly than the phenomenon of the taofang. A taofang is essentially an apartment divided into multiple tiny units, often with illegal extensions that stick out like container boxes to maximize floor space. These cramped rooms, barely large enough to lie down in, rent for $290 to $360 a month in Taipei.

      If you know Taiwanese Americans, this isn’t a secret. Nobody wants to go back to the island and earn a tiny fraction of their American salaries under a ruinously expensive living standard.

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          5 hours ago

          More than the KMT or TPP certainly. Taiwan only legalized same sex couples in 2019, after repeated populist opposition campaigns and defiance of court orders.

          But, more pressing, do you think homeless LGBTQ people want to live under a government that denies them rights to the barest essentials of survival?

          Social conservative politics dominates the Pacific Rim. It isn’t unique to any single country. Economic progressivism is where you find the sharpest divide.

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            4 hours ago

            You understand Taiwan is by far more liberal on LGBT rights than China, right? When did China legalise same-sex marriage? Or any of the rights granted to LGBT people in China?

            Do you think LGBT people in Sweden or Canada would prefer the social and legal situation of LGBT rights and expression in China as compared to their countries?

            Also, where is your data that homelessness is more prominent in China than Taiwan?

            Moreover, do you think journalists, activists in Taiwan, etc want to live under a one-party state where all dissent against the CCP is curated?

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              3 hours ago

              You understand Taiwan is by far more liberal on LGBT rights than China, right?

              They’ve had a liberal turn with the DDP. That’s coming to an end. The '24 election introduced a reactionary majority in Parliament.

              Taiwan’s Conservatives are in ascendence, and the island is taking a reactionary turn.

              Also, where is your data that homelessness is more prominent in China than Taiwan?

              I’ve already been linking you sources and you’ve been ignoring them.

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                3 hours ago

                What legislation is planned that will somehow roll back LGBT rights in Taiwan to be equivalent to the PRC?

                Your source did not compare homelessness and poverty rates in China as compared to Taiwan.

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        7 hours ago

        Where is your evidence that Americans are trying to use Taiwan as a base for regime change? How would this even work?

        And your analysis on Taiwans housing prices and rent could be literally any major city in any major western country on earth. It does not demonstrate widespread poverty across Taiwan.

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          5 hours ago

          Where is your evidence that Americans are trying to use Taiwan as a base for regime change?

          A century of US foreign policy aimed at rival governments, combined with stated positions within US think tanks.

          And your analysis on Taiwans housing prices and rent could be literally any major city in any major western country on earth

          Crazy how free market housing prices just do that, huh? Almost as though it’s a consequence of their public policies.

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            4 hours ago

            Sorry, again, you unironically think that the USA is going to attack China? A nuclear power with over double the USAs population?

            The point here is that you aren’t even comparing it to China. What are the metrics and standards of living in Taiwan as compared to China?

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              2 hours ago

              Sorry, again, you unironically think that the USA is going to attack China? A nuclear power with over double the USAs population?

              We’ve been building up the Pacific Fleet since the Bush 43 administration. War with China was the plan for PNAC prior to 9/11. And the Trump admin is flush with China Hawks.

              What are the metrics and standards of living in Taiwan as compared to China?

              PPP is a great place to start. Taiwanese cost of living has been climbing since Trump 1 while China has kept itself stable.

              Basics - food, housing, transportation, education, health care - that Taiwan domestic policies privatized during the boom years have come back to eat their lunch in the lean years. Flat wages, rising debt, you do the math.

              You see the same problems across the Pacific Rim capitalist colony states. Everyone from Japan to India has been pinched by supply chain failures and venture capital excess. Taiwan’s not unique in this regard (honestly doing a lot better than most of their peers). But the check always comes due.

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                We’ve been building up the Pacific Fleet since the Bush 43 administration. War with China was the plan for PNAC prior to 9/11. And the Trump admin is flush with China Hawks.

                Okay, so? You do realise that China has changed a lot since then. Again: This is a nuclear power with over double the USAs population. What exactly do you imagine the war goals here are?

                PPP is a great place to start. Taiwanese cost of living has been climbing since Trump 1 while China has kept itself stable.

                Can I see your data points here?

                Basics - food, housing, transportation, education, health care - that Taiwan domestic policies privatized during the boom years have come back to eat their lunch in the lean years. Flat wages, rising debt, you do the math.

                Still no data points.

                You see the same problems across the Pacific Rim capitalist colony states. Everyone from Japan to India has been pinched by supply chain failures and venture capital excess. Taiwan’s not unique in this regard (honestly doing a lot better than most of their peers). But the check always comes due.

                Even if this is true, why would the Taiwanese want to become absorbed into a one-party state?