• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    False Flag attacks are a military adventurer’s favorite method to start trouble. America has used it multiple times to start wars.

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      Interesting thing about false flag attacks is that many of them are not real false flag attacks but are attacks that have been carefully chosen to be allowed by ignoring the intel regarding them.

      Israel for example had been notified by many countries of an incoming attack by Hamas with an extremely accurate description of what would happen, but decided to ignore it and not even strengthen their border defenses. It was in Israels best interest as it would give them an easy reason that would make their people allow them to ramp up the genocide.

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        Valid.

        Before 9/11, the Bush administration had several clear warnings that something serious was in the works, and they totally ignored it. It was even put into his daily briefing that Al Qaeda was planning an attack that involved flying planes into buildings, but it was later speculated that bush probably never even saw it, since he often skipped reading his morning briefings.

        If they had stopped to consider it, they would have realized that they had been receiving reports from flight schools of Arab students wanting to learn to steer planes in flight, but not take off or land, and one guy already in custody. Just a little bit of investigation would have exposed the whole thing.

        But they wanted a Middle Eastern conflict, so all of it was ignored, with easily predictable results.

        A False Flag event? Not by precise definition, but essentially the same thing.

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        Yeah I honestly found the timing of that suspicious given Bibi’s trials coming up and plummeting popularity at the time.

        I could see the same with 9/11. Various people didn’t need to actually be involved with terrorism so much as “let it happen” and plan on how to profit from the response

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    A false flag attack on our warships is an American tradition. It’s how we start our best wars.

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    Don’t know if it’s true, but if it is, kinda funny that Trump’s CIA has been outsmarted by Venezuela.

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      South Americans broadly have been dealing with the CIA for a long time. Even the Romans knew not to fight the same people too many times because they’ll get hip to your fighting style and they’ll eventually beat you at your own game.

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      Yeah it’s a big claim, would be cool to eventually see evidence it was true but I’m not sure how they’d ever be able to prove it. I doubt anyone gets a wire transfer that just says it’s from the CIA

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        And all the leading positions in every agency has also long since been replaced by moronic Trump sycophants whose only qualifications are how far they can get their tongues up Trumps sphincter.

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      What exactly is funny? Do you have reasons to believe that the Venezuelan counter-spy bureau is ineffective? Or you’re just a USA chauvinist who thinks that everything Venezuelan is shittier than US-ian just because?

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        Venuzuelan budget: $22bn
        CIA budget: $15bn

        When a single intelligence agency’s budget is comparable to an entire country’s, it’s reasonable to assume that agency will be able to persevere in almost any contest.

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          Venuzuelan budget: $22bn CIA budget: $15bn

          Yeah, but the CIA has to spread that money for operations in the whole world. Venezuelans don’t play the same game.

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          One trashcan for cia - 10000$ One trashcan for venezuela - idk maybe 10$?

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            Fun fact, the CIA is known to routinely obfuscate drug money with office expenses.

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          They’ve also had decades of experience to back them up. They’re not just a newly spun-up agency who’s been given a multi-billion dollar budget.

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            That being said, South America in general has contended with CIA interference for decades. It’s not unreasonable to think they’ve grown wise to their playbook.

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          Venezuelan agency budget, ~$200 million. CIA - 78 billion. When your budget is 365 times as much, I could understand why you’d think they would be more sophisticated.

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    And hopefully treating the detainees as human beings rather than as third-rate beasts.

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    I think Trump would love to start a war: distraction from the Epstein files, a nice scapegoat for economic hardship, the possibility to grab even more power under the guise of wartime emergencies, …

    Hell, if it takes long enough he could postpone the next election.

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      Don’t be naive. Trump isn’t running anything.

      Trump struggled to name 20 animals in a row, dealer’s choice. Thought the dementia test was an IQ test, bragged that going past 10 animals was hard.

      “I took– Those are very hard– They’re really aptitude tests, I guess, in a certain way, but they’re cognitive tests. Let AOC go against Trump.”

      He continued, “Let Jasmine go against Trump. I don’t think Jasmine– The first couple questions are easy: a tiger, an elephant, a giraffe, you know. When you get up to about five or six and then when you get up to 10 and 20 and 25, they couldn’t come close to answering any of those questions.”

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    It’s okay and responsible to be skeptical of the Venezuela’s governments claims but given past evidence this is hardly an extraordinary claim and would be hardly surprising.

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    Staging a false flag attack on our own troops in order to manufacture consent for a war with the country holding the world’s largest oil reserves?

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    “It is the same imperial script as the Maine ship and the Gulf of Tonkin: fabricating a conflict to impose interests alien to our region,” Pinto wrote in an online post on Telegram, according to Google Translate. “Venezuela is acting firmly and responsibly: a CIA-funded criminal cell linked to this covert operation is being dismantled on our territory."