The recent recognitions of a Palestinian state and the October 10 ceasefire have been followed by a flurry of calls to “deradicalize” Palestinian society. The New York Times editorial board went so far as to compare this deradicalization project to the denazification of Germany after the Second World War. These calls have the situation backwards to the point of farce.
  • couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    1 day ago

    And where exactly do you place Hamas with their bombing campaign that led to Netanyahu, who wanted to end Olso, being elected to replace Peres, who wanted to enact it?

    • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      Israel want the whole land since it’s creation so stop blaming everything on Hamas . Hamas reply to occupation brutality that’s all and occupier force always committed more crimes against any act of resistance . The plo respected the term, Israel didn’t because they do not want peace. If you accept Israel excuses you are not better than any Zionist

      After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - Ben Gurion

      Partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years - Chaim Weizmann

      There will be no Palestinian state—this land is ours - Netenyahu on September 11, 2025

      • couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        1 day ago

        You seem to struggle with the concept that Israel (and Palestine) consists of more than one person or faction and that there are factions that want peace and factions that want war. Hamas made sure the Israeli faction that wanted peace lost power in '96

        • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 day ago

          You seem to not understand that treaties and deals do not become null when a prime minister or president change . The accords was between Israel as a state and the PLO. Netanyahu represent the state of Israel, Hamas is not a member of the PLO. So Israel can’t claim Hamas actions make the accords null and no matter who is wrong illegal settlements are never justified. Genocide is never justified either

          • couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            1 day ago

            Yeah I’m sure Netanyahu is really impressed with you being upset that he did exactly what he promised to do if he got elected… And apparently not caring about Hamas enabling him to do so at the same time

            • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              1 day ago

              Netanyahu love that you shift the blame to Palestinians and use his excuses as valid reasons for the state of Israel continue occupation, continue stealing wesbtbankers land and allow the settler terrorists to attack Palestinian civilians

              • couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zipEnglish
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                1 day ago

                Well I’m not saying, as you seem to hinge your argument on, that Netanyahu is blameless

                I mean, he ran his election campaign on it! lol

                I’m saying Hamas should not be excused for helping him win it.

                • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  1 day ago

                  Here we go again you keep talking about Netanyahu which we all know he is a terrible war criminal. Yet you can’t admit that Israel always wanted the whole land . I showed you that Shimon Perez who was his opponent was as bad as Netanyahu. I showed you Israeli leaders all over the decades defending occupation. I will repeat them again

                  after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - The terrorist and first prime minister of Israel Ben Gurion

                  partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years - Chaim Weizmann

                  The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” -  Menachem Begin

                  https://www.972mag.com/yitzhak-rabin-oslo-accords-aoc/

                  https://www.palquest.org/en/historictext/24965/yitzhaq-rabin’s-address-knesset-after-israeli-palestinian-agreement

                  We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority. The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines. Yitzhak Rabin

                  There is Israeli leaders that are less honest than others that’s all. All of them do not want a Palestinian state

            • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              1 day ago

              There we go with people who think Netanyahu is the only problem and not the Zionist ideology that radicalized Israelis and is the reason why Israel is maintaining occupation . Netanyahu winning has nothing to do with Hamas.

              Answer this simple question. Do you think Israel want to end occupation if Hamas is destroyed?