https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/lgbtq_plus_christianity
this is probably gonna be controversial, but i mean this for people who actually follow christ’s teachings and not to be a cesspool of homophobia and transphobia.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/lgbtq_plus_christianity
this is probably gonna be controversial, but i mean this for people who actually follow christ’s teachings and not to be a cesspool of homophobia and transphobia.
Okay. I’ll grant you that. I don’t particularly care about the “belief system”. I don’t particularly care about doctrine. I don’t believe that the Earth is 6000 years old and I don’t live my life thinking of where I will end up once I’m gone. If this is your only idea of “being Christian”, then I’m certainly not it.
Because of the community that comes with it. Because of the culture that is developed around it. Because it is the foundation of the Western World. Because most of the people/cultures that I’ve seen trying to reject those values have lost themselves to something worse. Because other religions seems to treat this world as a mere passage way, and Judeo-Christian cultures are also concerned about working to leave this place better than what was found.
Dude I’ve literally shown you how much more I know and understand about Christianity than you do. You know that you didn’t know what a confirmation is, much less being able to name ALL the sacrament. Hell, you probably even wouldn’t be able to define the word without googling.
I can list all the sacrament, because I’ve studied the Bible and Christianity, as a former Christian who was brought up in Christianity.
But you don’t even admit to your ignorance about your own faith, when said ignorance is literally the point of this conversation.
Yeah, just like I said, hypocritical believers who are just too scared to admit the ONLY REASON they’re identifying as Christians is LITERALLY that others wouldn’t accept them not identifying as a Christian.
That’s exactly my point.
However in more secular countries, you can. You don’t need to be a part of the church to engage in social activities and people don’t socially hang you out to dry if you acknowledge what ridiculous contradictory bullshit the Bible is.
WRONG. Propaganda, bullshit and utterly fucking wrong.
Monotheism is a destructive and hateful. It’s indoctrination, and make people worse than they would be without monotheism. Without monotheism, we would already have our gay luxury space communism.
I know more about Christianity than you do, you’re just scared to accept Criticism_of_monotheism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_monotheism
Was this a competition? I wasn’t aware. Congrats, you won!
So now you are going to be making two arguments:
I added this comment as an edit to the earlier reply but it was so much later O thought yo write this as a specific comment as well. Edit dammit, sorry I forgot to add the part I meant to write about how being trans and Christian on a practical level is completely different and mostly up to the people in any given local religious community. ideologically it doesn’t fit but if you’re trans and are asking whether other Christians can accept you? Yes, ofc they can. Christians are great at hypocrisy.
No, it’s not a competition, but you implied that because you identify as a Christian and I no longer do, that you’re in some sort of position of authority over it. (“If that’s your only idea of Christianity” you said after tossing out some wild strawman I had nothing to do with.)
Oh you’re making demands of my belief system, when this thread is about whether Christianity is compatible with being trans? No Christianity, a dogmatic religion with Old Testament in its scripture is not compatible with being trans on an ideological level.
One is a hateful ideology that hates anything different. And one is just existing as a trans person. There’s no “trans ideology” that is being tested against it, but you’re asking as if there were, since the ideology that Christianity has to fight is progressiveness; “being woke”, as the kids say. The very thing that Star Trek enshrines.
What’s atheists have to do with this? I’m not an atheist, as I’ve told you.
And no, I won’t be hopping to your demands. You’ve answered none of my questions or explained your views even when I asked nicely. You simply ignore facts about Christianity, literally, and say “well that’s no longer the case” “you don’t actually have to believe in this sort of thing”.
You made a point about a gay man going to an imam. Don’t you think that with how large Muslim society is globally that there’s literally millions of LGTBQ+ youths who are battling against their even more dogmatic religion? Don’t you think it’d be kind of the same thing for a man to be gay and still defend Islam, as if you are (I’m not assuming anything and hopefully haven’t at any point) trans and defend Christianity?
Why is it different to be a gay man and defend Islam, than being trans and defending Christianity?
What “status” are you talking about? You do know why the nowadays politically incorrect phrase “dark ages” existed, right? Europe had the dark ages while Asia was bloomimg. First universities were Islamic.
Hell, Christianity got rid of Europe’s smartest. And forced it’s dogma down everyone’s throats for a few thousand years. Christianity came out on top because it was the least accepting and most punishing.
The amount of progressive sociological concepts that Christianity put down in just ancient Norse religion is massive. Greece too.
Do you think a gay man would have had trouble living 2500 years ago in Greece? No. Absolutely none. What about after Christianity took over…?
Edit dammit, sorry I forgot to add the part I meant to write about how being trans and Christian on a practical level is completely different and mostly up to the people in any given local religious community. ideologically it doesn’t fit but if you’re trans and are asking whether other Christians can accept you? Yes, ofc they can. Christians are great at hypocrisy.
No, no, no… I’ve been trying like crazy to explain that “what I identify with” is completely irrelevant!
What I am arguing here:
What I’ve been telling you is that you’re wrong.
Name one “Christian value” which you can and should take from Christianity. And that is specific to it. Not like “Christianity teaches us that you shouldn’t kill everyone you see on sight” like the golden rule I mentioned earlier.
No.
A Christian value.
Go ahead.
I’ll wait.
No, you just keep defending this bullshit and then you wonder why we have to go through wars and shit.
Stand up and call monotheism the cancer it is. There’s nothing inherently good in it. Nothing. But there is a lot of inherently bad things, like dogma, and straight up anti-LGBT values.
Oh, no! Not again!
Ok, you can wait.
Deflecting again? Wow. So surprised. You can’t answer anything or define anything.
Yet you imagine you’re in a “debate”? Thanks for the laughs.
No, I never said I was in a debate. Did I?
If you don’t mind me asking: how old are you?