Easy. They are not mutually exclusive?

How many TP Link routers, were found to be compromised by China and had to be removed from U.S. infrastructure?

Salt Typhoon hack?

Why does China restrict access to the internet without massive censure?

Your link just takes me back to your parent comment.

Your entire argument is the pot calling the kettle black.

If you were just discussing the shitty things the U.S. is doing, I would be in total agreement, but you are trying to shoehorn “How great China is” into the discussion.

No matter how terrible the U.S. is and gets, it will not erase all the terrible things China has and is doing too. No matter how much you argue otherwise.

No one is giving the U.S. a pass. This is a deliberate mischaracterization.

Until this regime, the U.S. had some of the best solar subsidies on the planet.

The U.S., as a surveillance state, is still in its infancy when compared to China. So it is laughable that you are using China in any comparison to the U.S., in almost the same breath.

“Carceral State” is a tanky propagandist dog whistle.

Why don’t you debate faults on their own? Because you are deliberately trying to use current bad conduct, of the U.S. to whitewash another country’s bad conduct.

“Oh hey, the U.S. is super shitty, but we have made so much solar in the past year so we’re all about global stability.”

Ignore EVERYTHING China has done though, only look at the bad that the U.S. is doing.

I’m sure you have plenty of arguments that support or claim how China has been with: Taiwan

Uygher people

Support of North Korea

Support of Russia against Ukraine

Tibet

The horde of nonsense “technological breakthroughs” that seem to come every month but never amount to anything and just disappear.

The pollution that has been produced by Chinese industry that pretends to adhere to global standards but get busted when college students use basic satellite data.

Suppression of Hong Kong

China’s state sponsored industrial espionage.

China’s disregard of human rights abroad when kidnapping Chinese dissidents from foreign countries.

(This is just me pulling the random items I can just immediately recall)?

But that is all Western propaganda I’m sure. Feel free to break out your playbook responses.

I didn’t use bad language this time for you to get my comment deleted, since suppression is one of your biggest tools.

This guy would probably argue that the protest at Tiannamon Square was a CIA funded false flag operation. If he was allowed to even discuss it in a way that implied it really happened.

Don’t waste your time talking to tankies

At least this one gives it away with his name. Usually their simping for China gives them away.

They only accept their little cesspit of information as facts. Everything else is conspiracy theories or state funded propaganda.

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The marketers don’t make the decision. They’re underpaid wage slaves just reading script.

Wait. Worm brain man says no real proof of a connection?

Now I think there may be one.

TLDR: Who gives a shit?

A. Is it really necessary to split hairs like this here? You come across as just looking for a pointless, pedantic argument.

Obscure characterization of someone else’s motivation != anything useful. (Am I doing this right?)

B. He fixed his list so it doesn’t matter. And if you did see his original list, then you could just RTFA they linked and figure it out.

Being able to say something != Something should be said.

(Yup it looks just as pretentious when I do it.)

I appreciate the correction, but there were two names on that list that were mentioned in the article you linked as having turned down the money. 🤣

This list is fucking inaccurate. Nice job posting bullshit and muddying the waters.

Bing Crosby, of White Christmas fame, was accused by one of his kids, for using a bag of oranges to discipline his kids.

Ok, Bing, no one was asking you for advice.

Fucking Bravo.

This seems like an incredibly effective operation that simultaneously limited loss of human life (even if that wasn’t a metric or the intention).

Machines killing machines.

That blimp would be particularly vulnerable though.

It would need a pretty robust defense to protect it from missiles/other aircraft

That’s because you looked “other”.

Just don’t do that next time, you should be fine.

(/S, just in case)

I am definitely not going to argue against the U.S. being a turd bucket.

I’m just saying China is the pot calling the kettle black.

For the next four years, absolutely keep us at arms length and don’t trust us.

China has been untrustworthy for decades and has zero impetus for change.

I’m not saying US good, China bad.

I’m saying you have to be pretty dumb to think China has any business talking shit about anyone.

It is this kind of bullshit that got Trump elected.

Y’all are either a bunch of trolls, paid propagandists, or just really dumb.

Any political advesery will take any opportunity, ESPECIALLY China, to make statements like this, because they can. They pretend to take the high road in order score points.

It’s laughable that anyone can even take it at face value. I am serious when I say that Trump was elected because people are so fucking dumb, that they can’t see the emperor has no clothes.

This is the same kind of bullshit political messaging, and it’s outrageous that you can even give China the benefit of the doubt.

I’m not trying to say USA is good, China is bad. I’m saying China has a history of this bullshit, so now you eat it up because they are talking shit about the abomination the U.S. has become.

FYI, saying China has been outspoken against the war is a perfect example.

It doesn’t cost them anything to say it, meanwhile they are happily selling weapons to Russia.

Just like US saying what is happening in Palestine is bad, while dumping armaments be on Israel.

Talk is so cheap, so you have to look at actions and China’s actions are about as bad as they come.

How is this whataboutism? You just picked some random buzzword to come back at me?

Man I thought Lemmy would be different but there is no real dialogue, just garbage vomited into comments

China has no fucking leg to stand on.

Anyone who can’t see the hypocrisy, then you are just like the idiots that voted for Trump.