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    8 days ago

    These are all holes in the Swiss cheese model.

    Just because you and I cannot immediately consider ways of exploiting these vulnerabilities doesn’t mean they don’t exist or are not already in use (Including other endpoints of vulnerabilities not listed)


    This is one of the biggest mindset gaps that exist in technology, which tends to result in a whole internet filled with exploitable services and devices. Which are more often than not used as proxies for crime or traffic, and not directly exploited.

    Meaning that unless you have incredibly robust network traffic analysis, you won’t notice a thing.

    There are so many sonarr and similar instances out there with minor vulnerabilities being exploited in the wild because of the same"Well, what can someone do with these vulnerabilities anyways" mindset. Turns out all it takes is a common deployment misconfiguration in several seedbox providers to turn it into an RCE, which wouldn’t have been possible if the vulnerability was patched.

    Which is just holes in the swiss cheese model lining up. Something as simple as allowing an admin user access to their own password when they are logged in enables an entirely separate class of attacks. Excused because “If they’re already logged in, they know the password”. Well, not of there’s another vulnerability with authentication…

    See how that works?













  • I’m familiar with them.

    These are projects sitting years, maybe even a decade, away from maturity. IF web standards and capabilities don’t change at all over the next 5-10 years.

    Hopefully that puts this into perspective. These are really cool projects, but without a massive influx of engineering effort and organization, they will likely be perpetually, hopelessly, behind the standard rate of change required of browsers. Nevermind meeting the current standards of performance, security, observability, ecosystem, user and developer experience.

    It’s always good to check in on these projects yearly, see how it’s going, see if they are accelerating or slowing down. Eventually one of them will take off, and potentially leech resources from other similar projects.


    Though, the nature of FOSS is that 1000 people will work on 200 different projects all trying to do the same thing, instead of combining and organizing efforts to go after the same unified goal.

    This isn’t really a statement of fault but rather a statement of reality. Without dedicated full-time organization, this is usually how scattered resources solve problems. Which is a core problem here in that dedicated organization to rapidly grow the engineering effort for a particular project usually requires funding and full-time employees. To both market it to engineers as an interesting project, mature documentation and DevX, mature the onboarding experience for devs, and to handle the organizational aspects of distributing said work.