In the slaughterhouse image you arguing with the consumer-demands-industry-follows-argument. That is way too easy and not true. Take emobility for example: did it scale because customers demanded it? Or does it because it was subsidued by the Government tonlower prices AND incentivized with tax reduction and special traffic permits?

No, emobility was enforced and engaged by the Government. Neither customers nor industry was the lead. So, is the way with petrol and gas.

I didn‘t get your last point. You are saying that Norway is producing more petrol and gas, are you? And then you claim, that it‘s not that bad because Russia reduced its oil production? Wtf is this? Whatsaboutism?

Same as we produce mountains of carbon every year through oil and gas production. But it‘s not that bad because we all ride electric cars?

So, you‘re saying that the slaughterhouse must continue killing animals in order to reduce killing of animals at all. Because if this very slaughterhouse won‘t operate and kill, a different would do.

Best is to keep killing animals as long as the butcher is vegeterian everything is fine. ROFL

Edit: Quick google - the slaughterhouse is going to be expanded next years. More animals get killed https://www.climatechangenews.com/2023/06/29/norway-fossil-fuels-oil-gas-fields/

„Norway’s government said on Wednesday it has given approval for oil companies to develop 19 oil and gas fields with investments exceeding $18.5 billion, part of the country’s strategy to extend production for decades to come“ Bless god, Norwegians ride electric.

Are you saying a slaughterman that is vegetarian could be proud of his choice? While he still runs his slaughterhouse and kills animals?

No I‘m not saying this

Because this very nation makes tons of money by selling oil and gaz (carbon emissions)

Same joke if Saudi Arabia would go 100% emobility and keeps selling oil (carbon emissions)

Yepp, it’s odd to celebrate the milestone to emobility if one knows it’s paid all by carving carbon out of the earth. The goal of Emobility is to reduce carbon emissions - as far as I know.

That is tbh a very US centric perspective. The decade Gen X grown up - youth in the 80ties and young adulthood in 90ties - is known for the break up of the Sovjetbloc. If that isn’t a big shake in life, I don’t know what else might have such an impact on lifestyle, thoughts, ownerships and behaviors.

The longtail effects had disruptions to other regions in the world with unrest and uprisings for independence.

And sure there have been conflicts as well. E.g. the North Ireland conflict with bombing in the UK. And there was the first nuclear disaster of Tschernobyl in 1986 causing angst in Europe.

But at all, I‘d say these days were characterized by a positive mood and the feeling that people can change things.