Donald Trump’s bruising return to the White House has sent many longtime foreign allies scrambling to get their distance, and according to a new piece from The Atlantic, that distance will last long after Trump is gone.

Trump’s second term as president has been marked by notable and widespread disrespect toward nations once seen as close U.S. allies. Between his attempts to level massive tariffs against nearly every nation in the world and his frequent breaches of diplomatic norms, Trump has created a hostile global environment in which allies no longer feel safe trusting in the stability of the U.S.

In a new piece for The Atlantic on Tuesday, staff writer Vivian Salama argued that this new dynamic, in which the nations of the world are working to establish a safe distance from the U.S., is bound to become the new normal for years to come, even after Trump leaves office and is potentially replaced by a more traditional, dependable administration.

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    Abandoning is a melodramatic way of putting it.

    It’s the accurate way to put it. For example, Canadians are not diversifying their shopping habits. They are consciously choosing to abandon American made goods.

    Other countries will always have to rely on the U.S. to some degree,

    The US will also have to rely on other countries to some degree.

    but the fact that they let America be the world police in the first place is their own doing.

    Ah. This soundbite is a little to close to propaganda. Should other countries be paying the US to be the world police force?

    they built the country to be resistant to a complete fall into tyranny

    Including clauses like emoluments, restrictions on terms, separation of church and state etc. Many of which are being or have been eroded (the main topic of our discussion).

    as of right now we haven’t yet reached the low points

    True. As of now the US has only regressed to “1960 civil rights” levels of democracy

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      It’s the accurate way to put it. For example, Canadians are not diversifying their shopping habits. They are consciously choosing to abandon American made goods.

      It’s the emotion driven, factually inaccurate way to put it.

      Looks like imports and exports over this summer are up over last year

      Should other countries be paying the US to be the world police force?

      How about not handing over that power to the US at all?

      Including clauses like emoluments, restrictions on terms, separation of church and state etc. Many of which are being or have been eroded

      None of them have been. Arguing about things you don’t really understand is only a sign that maybe you’re not so different from the average flyover state American. Every point you’ve tried to make so far is either a critical misunderstanding, or is outright verifiably false.

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        We see that Canadians have increased their spending on domestic travel and on grocery products from Canadian companies and have reduced their spending on similar US products and services

        How about not handing over that power to the US at all?

        The US outspending the collective military budget of many of it’s closest allies is not something they have control over. No power is handed over to the US.

        None of them have been

        Many have been. Refer to our previous conversation for the example.

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          Many have been. Refer to our previous conversation for the example.

          They haven’t been. Our previous conversation confirms that. It’s just you saying things, as if merely speaking them makes them true, like some kind of Harry Potter spell. Like I said, it’s just ignorance on your part, misunderstanding the basis of things.

          No power is handed over to the US.

          Oh course it has. Americas defense spending isn’t really a factor. With every defense agreement, trade agreement, and willful choice to put all your eggs in Americas basket, you handed over that power.

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            Our previous conversation confirms that

            You have admitted several Supreme Court judges are compromised. I.e. several checks have already failed. Reversal of roe v wade and loss of human rights is solid evidence against your protestations.

            With every defense agreement, trade agreement, and willful choice to put all your eggs in Americas basket, you handed over that power.

            I think recent actions of Spain are good counter examples of this not being true.

            Even in the recent Greenland deal “Non-NATO members are barred from having an ongoing military presence in Greenland” shows the declining relationship between US and it’s “allies”. The terms bind the US into Nato, giving power to Denmark and demonstrate distrust of the US long past the Trump era.

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              You have admitted several Supreme Court judges are compromised. I.e. several checks have already failed.

              That does not logically follow. The Supreme Court is a panel for a reason, the check succeeded. Again you don’t seem to know what the checks and balances are.

              Reversal of roe v wade is solid evidence against your protestations.

              Not in the slightest. Not sure how you came to this conclusion.

              You’re just kind of babbling incoherently at this point. It’s getting harder and harder to keep track of the mental gymnastics you’re doing. You’re replying like an AI chat bot that’s filled it’s context window.

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                The Supreme Court is a panel for a reason, the check succeeded.

                The checks that are supposed to prevent compromised judges from sitting in the Supreme Court have failed. This we have agreed.

                The Supreme Court is a panel for a reason.

                The panel voted 6-3 to reverse a federal constitutional right. The panel check failed.

                It’s getting harder and harder to keep track of the mental gymnastics

                If my simple reasoning is getting to much for you then maybe you should take a break.

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                  The checks that are supposed to prevent compromised judges from sitting in the Supreme Court have failed. This we have agreed.

                  We have not agreed. The system does not rely on or promise in the absolute certainty that every Supreme Court justice can be ensured to be impartial. Thats why the Supreme Court is a panel, and mechanisms exist to remove judges. In order for the panel to fail, a majority of Supreme Court justices must be compromised. The fact that there are two problematic members on the panel is within what the panel size was designed to mitigate.

                  The panel voted 6-3 to reverse a federal constitutional right. The panel check failed.

                  No they did not do that. Abortion access has never at any time been an explicit right in the United States constitution. What the panel did was reverse an earlier decision that a constitutional right to something else entirely merely allowed abortion access as a consequence. The panel check did not fail because the panel did only what was within its power to do. If we want abortion access to be a constitutional right, we have to actually put it in our constitution. Roe v Wade was never more than a bandaid without a permanent solution. We absolutely should enshrine abortion access into our constitution, but before you condemn us for not having yet done so, you should know that the EU does not have a law allowing it in all member states either. In fact two EU member states have restrictions similar to the US.

                  What you’re doing isn’t reasoning. You’re just misunderstanding the facts on a fundamental level and then drawing unreasonable conclusions from a pool of ignorance.

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                    The system does not rely on or promise in the absolute certainty that every Supreme Court justice can be ensured to be impartial

                    But there are supposed to be checks to ensure impartiality. These have obviously failed.

                    The fact that there exists a second layer of checks doesn’t mean the first can be ignored

                    Abortion access has never at any time been an explicit right in the United States constitution.

                    The U.S. Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment protects an individual’s right to privacy, which includes the right to decide whether to have an abortion.

                    What you’re doing isn’t reasoning

                    Pure projection.