The Ukrainian president warned airlines, insurers and foreign governments that the growing scale of Kyiv’s drone operations would make Russian airspace increasingly unsafe for aircraft. #EuropeNews

The Ukrainian president warned airlines, insurers and foreign governments that the growing scale of Kyiv’s drone operations would make Russian airspace increasingly unsafe for aircraft.

  • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.mlEnglish
    12·
    3 hours ago

    I thought it would be pretty fucking obvious by now that both countries have no issue targeting civilians??

    • Tango@piefed.caOPEnglish
      21·
      3 hours ago

      It’s certainly obvious for Israel, as I’ve demonstrated twice now. Easily, and without needing to be asked.

      • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.mlEnglish
        12·
        3 hours ago

        I guess you don’t read international news very much, because they’ve killed many hundreds and maybe thousands of Russian civilians.

        The numbers help illustrate the change. In 2025, Ukrainian attacks inside Russia killed 253 civilians, according to the United Nations, which says it was not able to independently verify the numbers. This year, in the month of July alone, Russian authorities reported that 79 civilians were killed and 601 injured, a marked increase in the casualty rate.

        • Tango@piefed.caOPEnglish
          21·
          2 hours ago

          You’re quite literally burying the lede of that article:

          Unlike Moscow, Kyiv has not deliberately tried to kill civilians.

          I wonder why you skimmed right past that prominent line at the top of the article. Did you see it and somehow think it wasn’t relevant to the discussion?

          • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.mlEnglish
            12·
            2 hours ago

            Yeah and then they go on to explain how that’s changed. It’s also a lie, the same lie that Israel spouts, that they aren’t targeting civilians, lol.

            I don’t understand how I’ve had to explain this to you 3 separate times.

            • Tango@piefed.caOPEnglish
              21·
              2 hours ago

              Yeah and then they go on to explain how that’s changed.

              Do they?

              There is no indication that Ukraine is deliberately targeting civilians — even as Russia continues to hit apartment buildings, hospitals, schools and other civilian infrastructure with ballistic missiles and drones. And yet, there is no indication that the rising civilian toll in Russia is causing Kyiv to reconsider its approach.

              That’s from pretty far down the article. You seem to think that the last sentence invalidates the rest, but that’s not the argument you started with: you’re the one who says it’s “obvious” that they’re intentionally targeting civilians but then can’t find a source that agrees with you.

              It’s also a lie, the same lie that Israel spouts, that they aren’t targeting civilians, lol.

              Hey, it’s your article, dude. Maybe you should have read it first.

              • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.mlEnglish
                1·
                2 hours ago

                I find it strange that you can easily see through Israel’s bullshit, but not Ukraine’s.

                Perhaps you have some biases you should examine.