• NatakuNox@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    America is Bad. Iran was one of the most free and socially liberal countries until the US, UK, and France started to tamper with their democracy. When they say America bad its 100% true. Can’t directly or indirectly kill millions of their people and say we’re anything different. Let me ask you something? Do you think people in Venezuela and Cuba think “America bad”? If so why?

    • WFH@lemmy.zip
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      4 hours ago

      As far as 1970’ autocratic dictatorships go, Iran was probably one of the most “liberal”. But it was still a brutal regime. The SAVAK tortured, imprisoned, disappeared and murdered countless opponents domestically and abroad, becoming one of the leading reasons of the Iranian revolution of '79. The fact that the Shah’s regime was replaced by an even worse and more repressive one doesn’t mean we can look at it through rose tinted glasses.

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        I don’t think anyone is saying that the Shah was a good ruler. He was NOT, and he was propped up by US, UK because he was friendly to their interests. That’s the whole problem that is the reason the current regime was put in place in 1979.

        Prior to the Shah, Iranians had a better regime but it wasn’t friendly to US, UK interests so was overthrown by the US, UK.

        The “lesson learned” should have been that meddling in regime change can result in a worse outcome. US, UK thought the democratically elected regime wasn’t friendly enough to them, they installed the Shah, then ended up instead with an even less friendly regime.

        Now we see the Republicans didn’t learn that lesson, because their voters largely don’t know the history. So here we are again, tried to meddle in regime change and likely just made their regime stronger and even less friendly.

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        5 hours ago

        All wrong… The ones we ushered into power are not the current ones saying the US is bad. The ones in power now overthrew the people we put in power. The regime in power now is seen as liberaters and heros.

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          He’s saying that the US is responsible for the Ayatollahs being in power (even though that wasn’t the intent) because they installed the Shah who the people didn’t want the but was friendly to US interests.

          So I think it’s accurate to say that the US unintentionally ushered the current regime into power by putting in an unpopular puppet dictator to replace an elected leader who was popular with his people (Mossadegh).

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      And? I really don’t care, fuck with us we will fuck you up. I love we are finally doing it to Iran. I remember the Beirut bombing that killed how many US Marine Corp? Since then I wanted nothing more than to turn them into a glass parking lot and all their sponsored minions.

      And fuck venezuela and cuba too. We need to hit North Korea next… china is in collapse so that problem will fix itself when the people stop burning factories and start burning ccp. It in the post, mark my words.

      • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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        1 hour ago

        🙄 Thank you for outing yourself as someone to block. I encourage everyone else: Don’t reply to trolls like this. Block them. Let them shout into empty voids.

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          1 hour ago

          I prefer tagging retreads like you, that way I can keep shitting on you in other subs.

      • NatakuNox@lemmy.world
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        3 hours ago

        It’s a way of saying Iranian’s don’t have real self determination. They are in control now and giving any credit to the US is false.

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        5 hours ago

        North Korea is a great country according to your Dear Leader. Why would he attack it?

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        5 hours ago

        So might makes right? I’m so glad you have that opinion. Your way of thinking has destroyed American power, and now we’re not the mightiest anymore. I’m glad our hubris will let more rational world superpowers control the world for a bit.