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    My grandparents lived in South America for a decade. They were called “Gallegos” every other day, which they were, because they were from Galicia. Argentinians specifically used the term as a synonym for “simpleton”.

    I would like to know if you really think that a slur is the appropriate response to someone making fun of the Argentinian national team after an awful performance.

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      I honestly don’t know how you could be more mistaken. Given your condition, allow me to explain.

      Gallego can be used simply to say that a person is from spain (regardless of where in spain). It is also colloquially used when someone does something very dumb or fails to understand something very simple. It’s directed at the action, not the person and even though it is related to spain, it’s not because we hat spain. Is it weird that we don’t consider it offensive or a slur? Yeah. Is it the only “insult” or whatever that we use like that? Nope. The word “negro” is also used in so many ways that I can’t keep count.

      In your specific case, you seem to fail to grasp the concept of people travelling to different countries without losing ther nationality. I clearly said that I watched in rome and spaniards barely celebrated. It’s obvious that I was referring to actual spaniards watching it in rome. But you keep repeating “rome isn’t spain”? Are you trying to tell me that you know first grade geography or just that you lack any sort of reading comprehension skills?

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        The word “negro” is also used in so many ways that I can’t keep count.

        This is awesome he just can’t stop digging. My guy, you’re doubling down on top of your mistake of not understanding that calling someone a “Gallego” as an insult is offensive to people.

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          My guy, it’s offensive because you don’t get it. It’s fine. I don’t care. I’ll keep using it and you’ll keep crying about it.

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            I am 100% sure that you will keep using it, you and people like you lack the self analysis skills to be able to change your behaviour. The reason you think it’s inoffensive is that you stay in your bubble of 'Tanos and haven’t spent more than half an hour with an afrodescendent person.

            I would love for you to have a black Argentinian friend that you have long conversations with and bring up that word in multiple contexts and see how he reacts. The problem is that you lack the skills to be able to process their discomfort.

            Meanwhile, I’d love for you to explain what a “chiste de gallego” is like without making it seem like nothing more than an excuse to punch down on people from Spain.

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              I’ve spent more than half an hour with people from all around the world and have not had a single issue with any of them.

              I would love for you to have a black Argentinian friend

              In case you didn’t know, there aren’t virtually any people with black skin (unless they recently immigrated) precisely because we’re not racist. Most, if not all, argentinians are of “mixed” race.

              I’d love for you to explain what a “chiste de gallego” is like

              Sorry for making jokes about the people that killed indigenous people of south america, robbed them and were pushed out barely over 200 years ago. My deepest apologies for your thin skin.

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                black people? What black people?

                It is a tragedy what the Spaniards did to the natives.

                Uuuh-huh.

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                  The natives of Argentina were not black. Africans were brought to the region as slaves and Argentina received a very small number of them. As soon as we could, when we got rid of spain anf wrote our constitution, slavery was abolished.

                  No one looks down or discriminates black people in argentina. Don’t believe random lies you read on the internet. Also, read a book before spouting nonsense about a country you know nothing about.

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                    The natives of Argentina were not black. Africans were brought to the region as slaves and Argentina received a very small number of them.

                    As soon as we could, when we got rid of spain anf wrote our constitution, slavery was abolished.

                    I wasn’t saying that was the case. I was saying that you are faking sympathy with the natives while being discriminatory towards the black argentinians.

                    There is a problem with argentinian attitudes towards black people, which requires self reflection. Here’s some documentation of recent perspectives and incidents :

                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/28/argentina-european-self-image-racist-incidents-brazil

                    One thing to note :

                    Although slavery was abolished in Argentina in 1853, the descendants of enslaved Africans – and their influence on the country’s culture, from tango to language and food – remain.

                    While the constitution was written in 1853, your liberation was much earlier.

                    Independence from Spain: 9 July 1816

                    Also, here’s another article on the topic :

                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/31/argentina-white-european-racism-history

                    Delgado and Gomes point to recent studies of population surveys and genetics that paint a far different picture from Argentina’s accepted history: one recent study concluded that up to 9% of today’s Argentinians may have ancestry from Africa.

                    In 1778, Africans and Afro-descendants made up 37% of the population of what is now Argentina, according to a census by its Spanish colonialist rulers. In some major provinces the proportion was more than 50%.

                    That number did not drop significantly after independence from Spain in 1816: Afro-descendants accounted for 30% of the population of Buenos Aires for decades after independence. But after that, the number is unknown, because Argentina’s census bureau stopped collecting racial information.

                    “Census data was manipulated to erase us first from the statistics – and then from the history books,” says Gomes. “From the end of the 19th century the state meticulously began to make us invisible to present Argentina as homogeneous and of European descent.”

                    Argentina’s “whitening process” has been studied in depth by US academic Erika Edwards in her book Hiding in Plain Sight, published last year by University of Alabama Press.

                    “The whitening project was a successful endeavor in terms of the erasure of blackness,” said Edwards. “The idea that somebody could be the descendant of a slave is just not there.”

                    “It’s time for Argentinians to take their black grandmother out of the closet,” said Delgado.

                    Also, from the first article, here’s something that corroborates a video that went viral a while back when an Itallian descendant report interviewed, in a Vox Populi segment, a person from the North of Argentina. She asked how , as a foreigner , the Northerner viewed argentina/buenos aires, to which the interviewee responded that they were Argentinian, and the interviewer proceeded to say “not really, you’re more of a Bolivian”.

                    Pita said: “An Aymara descendant born in the north of Argentina is treated as Bolivian, a Mapuche born in Argentine Patagonia is treated as Chilean; and an African-descendant from Buenos Aires is treated as Uruguayan or Brazilian, because the only thing considered truly Argentine is whiteness.”

                    You guys have problems with racism in your country and culture, and need to do some self reflection to process these ideas in order to become better people by not claiming ethnically charged insults are just for “dark humour, you wouldn’t get it”.

                    Then maybe you can win the world cup a few more times instead of the few that you got, you know, by cheating.

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        It is also colloquially used when someone does something very dumb or fails to understand something very simple.

        Yeah, and you are asking me why I would be offended by that, after you suggested that the term is derogatory.

        Is it the only “insult” or whatever that we use like that? Nope.

        Not really helping your case here, are you.

        But you keep repeating “rome isn’t spain”?

        Literally typed that once.

        Are you trying to tell me that you know first grade geography or just that you lack any sort of reading comprehension skills?

        I don’t know what to say to this. You are assuming some things that aren’t at all true, and projecting about the rest.

        Are you OK?

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          It is derogatory but not an insult. It’s what we call a “gastada”. The type of thing you say to someone being too naive, dumb, etc. If it gets to you that much, I don’t know what to say. It’s not that bad, get over it.

          Literally typed that once.

          You need to say it more than once to sound obtuse?

          I don’t know what to say to this.

          There’s nothing you can say. Yout tried the shoe on and it was the perfect size. Nationality matched and everything. Sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason xD

          Are you OK?

          Wonderful. Thanks for asking :)

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            So it is derogatory, got it.

            You need to say it more than once to sound obtuse?

            You said that I “kept saying that Rome is not in Spain”, which is not true. And why do I even need to read your own messages back to you? You can write but not read?

            Sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason xD

            I guess it sometimes is true.

            There’s this joke we tell in Spain: how did the Argentinian commit suicide? They jumped from the top of their own ego.

            Let me know when you can back that ego up, instead of outsourcing it to a team full of little whiny bitches who can barely kick a ball. In the meantime, enjoy being second.

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              So it is derogatory, got it.

              It’s our type of humour. You don’t get it, it’s fine. We even insult ourselves sometimes. If it offends you it’s your problem, not mine.

              “And why am I even need to read your own messages to you?” Did you get an aneurysm? I think I understood what you meant. And yeah, instead of saying that you “kept” saying that, I should’ve said that you “still” said it. Making that type of remark only implies that you’re pretty obtuse. Do things always have to be explicitly laid out for you to understand it? Way to keep a legacy alive xD

              There’s this joke we tell in Spain: how did the Argentinian commit suicide? They jumped from the top of their own ego.

              Oh nooooo they’re telling me I have self-esteem. How will I ever sleep??? We know that one and we laugh about it too.

              Let me know when you can back that ego up, instead of outsourcing it to a team full of little whiny bitches who can barely kick a ball. In the meantime, enjoy being second.

              How are argentinians the “whining bitches” if we’re not the ones rolling on the ground, complaining about referees and celebrating other nation’s accomplishments? I’m damn proud of us being 2nd and I can’t explain why because you’ve made it clear that you’ll never understand it.

              Also, “barely kick a ball”? We’re the tesm with the most goals in the tournament and the best matches too (even if we sucked and spain shone last night). Celebrate your victory, have fun, but don’t be delusional. It will bite you in the ass.

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                  Libreals? Wtf? Is all politics us politics now? There are waaaay more colours than just b&w.

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                    This is a meme that makes fun of edgelords who throws excuses like “dark humour” to say things that are unfunny and offensive, instead of actual dark humour, which is funny and offensive.