Should I vote Republican to slow down full blown let it all hang out fascism because I don’t want to vote Democrat? I am trying to hack a machine that just needs recycled. What a dusty old thing. I have had it with both. The more both parties go at each other the greater the odds of a environment ripe with revolutionary potential. Like I know things are only going to get worse. Has anyone else thought of being a obstructionist? Like some how I am removed from the material conditions. Voting reminds me of the plaform at 3:10.

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    I would posit that for many in Europe and America voting has not once addressed a single major grievance. What would you say of those who do not vote as it has never proven a real avenue for systemic change in the West and instead organise outside the system? Do they have the right to have their grievances heard?

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        You can not accept it all you please and yet under the western capitalist system it remains true.

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            Women’s suffrage, the abolition of (chattel) slavery (as the Americans Thirteenth Amendment explicitly preserved involuntary servitude as punishment for a crime, laying the basis for coerced prison labour and the modern prison-industrial complex), the eight-hour working day, the weekend, the dismantling of Jim Crow and legal segregation, the defeat of apartheid in South Africa, partial Irish independence from the British Empire, and universal local-government suffrage and civil rights for the Catholic and nationalist population of Northern Ireland and more. None of these things were voted into existence but won through struggle. Voting under liberal democracy has not once been a real driver of meaningful systemic change.

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              You’re citing examples of other forms of redress, not disproving the effectiveness of voting. I never claimed voting was the only (or even the most effective) form of redress, only that it is one.

              Don’t bother responding, you have nothing of value to offer other than your absurd soapbox.

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                How about you name 1 (just one) systemic change won through voting under liberal democracy. (Oh wait you can’t because it’s never happened).