Inflation-adjusted home prices in China have fallen below where they started two decades ago, and the fiscal fallout is hitting local governments even harder than developers.
It’s just lots of small things. I still like it and have been to more cities than 99% of Chinese people themselves but permanent residence? Hell no. Gimme my freedom of movement, speech, and press. No Omni surveillance, gimme walkable city areas, no endless honking, orderly lines, patience, respect for servers, etc. You should definitely visit and enjoy the culture, food, language, and people but moving here is not something that is going to suit many that weren’t born into it. Everything requires an app and with no Play store rules everything relentlessly abuses you and spies on you. Facial recognition to pay for Walmart even, Christ. Plus if you’re any kind of beef eater this is a really bad place to be lol. Steak is cheap but it’s vastly inferior.
Have you been to shenzhen? I’m planning a trip there and want to know what it’s like. Endless honking will be a problem for me, darn. Also disappointed to hear the cities aren’t walkable
I don’t know where he’s been, but the cities are perfectly walkable in my experience. They in general are far more walkable and have far better public transport than any significant city in North America (yes, any,) while probably not being as cosy as European cities.
Most of his complaints are basically “Asia” though. With the possible exception of Singapore - one of the dullest places on Earth - you’re not going to get far anywhere on this continent if you hate noise, scooters, traffic, humidity, and far too many people in too small a place.
Which is fine, it’s an acquired taste. I for one love it, Asian megacities are glorious to me - but if you hate it that’s OK too, but it’s hardly a China problem.
Everyone takes didi nobody takes public transit unless the line is close or they real poor. Still many gray taxis. Traffic and parking garages erryday. Sometimes you can’t get a car at all.
To be honest, this nonsense tells me more that you have struggled to actually make any friends in China and are living in a bubble of your own making, than it says anything about China itself.
Pretty much the opposite. I’m a freewheeling extrovert that makes friend easily and am very well traveled globally. Anyway, it’s a logical fallacy to try and attack me personally when you don’t agree with what I’ve seen. China and the US have a lot of similarities and car culture is definitely one of them. The bus system is fairly unpleasant so unless you fortunately live where the metro is conveniently walkable you’re likely driving either a car or scooter pretty regularly. I will say the upside of the omni surveillance is that China’s roadways have civilized rapidly and now created a much larger gap between them and India due to auto ticketing. I was pretty surprised at how fast that happened. Taiwan is probably where I’d recommend if you want China without most of its downsides.
Yes, yes, everybody only uses Didi. Please, just use Didi. Nobody wants to share public transport with the “freewheeling extrovert” gobshite… Just use Didi.
Been in China many times for weeks at a time. DO NOT WANT TO LIVE HERE.
Interested in your experience, what went wrong?
It’s just lots of small things. I still like it and have been to more cities than 99% of Chinese people themselves but permanent residence? Hell no. Gimme my freedom of movement, speech, and press. No Omni surveillance, gimme walkable city areas, no endless honking, orderly lines, patience, respect for servers, etc. You should definitely visit and enjoy the culture, food, language, and people but moving here is not something that is going to suit many that weren’t born into it. Everything requires an app and with no Play store rules everything relentlessly abuses you and spies on you. Facial recognition to pay for Walmart even, Christ. Plus if you’re any kind of beef eater this is a really bad place to be lol. Steak is cheap but it’s vastly inferior.
And how many times were you robbed or shot?
Lol never in the thirty five countries I’ve been to
Have you been to shenzhen? I’m planning a trip there and want to know what it’s like. Endless honking will be a problem for me, darn. Also disappointed to hear the cities aren’t walkable
I don’t know where he’s been, but the cities are perfectly walkable in my experience. They in general are far more walkable and have far better public transport than any significant city in North America (yes, any,) while probably not being as cosy as European cities.
Most of his complaints are basically “Asia” though. With the possible exception of Singapore - one of the dullest places on Earth - you’re not going to get far anywhere on this continent if you hate noise, scooters, traffic, humidity, and far too many people in too small a place.
Which is fine, it’s an acquired taste. I for one love it, Asian megacities are glorious to me - but if you hate it that’s OK too, but it’s hardly a China problem.
The app nonsense is China exclusive and puts them behind every country in the world nearly.
Everyone takes didi nobody takes public transit unless the line is close or they real poor. Still many gray taxis. Traffic and parking garages erryday. Sometimes you can’t get a car at all.
To be honest, this nonsense tells me more that you have struggled to actually make any friends in China and are living in a bubble of your own making, than it says anything about China itself.
I suspect you’d have similar problems anywhere.
Pretty much the opposite. I’m a freewheeling extrovert that makes friend easily and am very well traveled globally. Anyway, it’s a logical fallacy to try and attack me personally when you don’t agree with what I’ve seen. China and the US have a lot of similarities and car culture is definitely one of them. The bus system is fairly unpleasant so unless you fortunately live where the metro is conveniently walkable you’re likely driving either a car or scooter pretty regularly. I will say the upside of the omni surveillance is that China’s roadways have civilized rapidly and now created a much larger gap between them and India due to auto ticketing. I was pretty surprised at how fast that happened. Taiwan is probably where I’d recommend if you want China without most of its downsides.
Oh Christ. You’re that guy.
Yes, yes, everybody only uses Didi. Please, just use Didi. Nobody wants to share public transport with the “freewheeling extrovert” gobshite… Just use Didi.
“nobody takes public transit” brother now I know you’re cosplaying.
Lol I’m literally typing this from liaoning province playa
Yeah a couple times, more international than other places but hot and humid as a fat guys armpits.