The way to vote with your wallet on this is to not go to the restaurant, not to still go and then be an asshole to the underpaid staff. Not leaving a tip doesn’t hurt the exploitative restaurateur or the system you “disagree with” but are still willfully participating in as far as it suits you. Also, fuck the Post.
You can’t expect people who aren’t used to tipping and are used to correct prices in the menu to start paying 20%-50% extra out of nowhere. The disturbing situation of the US is not their fault.
I’m fine with this idea. But just so I understand, doesn’t not going to the restaurant also hurt the staff? Is the idea to hurt the owner and the staff at the same time?
I ask because during COVID restaurant staff were definitely calling for people to go to restaurants more to “keep them alive.” At least they were in my area.
Victim blaming is always the easy solution, isn’t it.
Maybe if they don’t want to work there anymore they could. But until they’re all part of the SEIU or similar the owner/manager has all the power in their relationship.
Yeah, the system is broken, but you fucking over the person at the bottom doesn’t make you some sort of hero. You’re no better than the assholes leaving Chick Tracts instead of cash.
Employer probably has some form of insurance and will get paid out after claiming low demand for the service in the area.
Employees still get fired.
Community lose a restaurant and there is a lower chance of another one coming.
Go but don’t tip.
Worker gets screwed because their wages aren’t worth the work without tips.
worker either needs to quite or unionize (strike) to get a higher pay.
Worker is afraid(?) to do that so blames the costumer for not tipping.
Grass roots campaign to change tipping laws entirely
Workers are against it because they tend to make more with tips than with flat wages because some people can and will tipe very high.
Owners are against it because they lose more money on labor.
Costumers are for it because it doesn’t guild them into having to pay an undisclosed fee with a guilt trip assigned. However, they are unlikely to rally in favor in larger numbers than employers and employees because it does affect their day to day life as much.
It may be just me, but this seems like turning serfs on serfs while everyone goes to the powers that be rather than actually addressing the issue. I mean, I’m fine with just eating out less and tipping when I do, but I don’t see how not tipping is morally wrong when they entered system was about morally exploiting the costumer.
Also, the process only exists because restauranteurs had difficulty paying their employees during the great depression and encouraged them to accept payment To Insure Promptness (TIP). Can we just go back to a system when I only tip when my food is delivered quickly and the service is above average rather than to prevent people from spitting in my food because that is somehow now socially acceptable?
Am I missing something though? Because this whole thing seems like a less horrific version for rape being an implied additional punishment of jail in the US.
I’m not going to pretend to know the right answer to the fixing the system, but I’m pretty sure further exploiting the workers trying to pay rent and put food on their own tables while contributing to the profits of the ones doing the exploiting isn’t it.
I’m not sure where you’re getting anything about spitting in your food, typically in a sit down restaurant the bill and tip are reconciled at the end of the meal so there’s no opportunity for that even if they wanted to.
The great depression and ensuring promptness are all out of order and incorrect. The term itself is from the 17th century, and in America, it gained popularity because of racism (because of course it did) after the civil war.
And are you implying that being expected to tip is the same as being raped? That seems like a pretty unhinged take on the situation, even with the “less horrific” disclaimer. But I guess if that’s the direction we’re headed the waitstaff deserve to get shafted and that girl shouldn’t have been wearing a skirt, or walking alone at night, or having a drink, or whatever justification you want to offer, right?
A question here: If “voting with your wallet” does not influence the restaurant… How can we do this??
In a system that is “used to this situation” why should something change, if everybody behaves the same. That’s the first time America sees an outside perspective and the solution you propose is still: “let’s keep it this way, otherwise we ‘hurt’ people”. The people don’t see that they are exploited… Maybe that’s the “straw” they need?
The way to vote with your wallet on this is to not go to the restaurant, not to still go and then be an asshole to the underpaid staff.
To be fair, a lot of this probably isn’t even intentional. Tipping just isn’t nearly as much of a thing in Europe and people just forget.
And also these people being tourists are usually not people with access to a kitchen to cook their own shit in, so unless you wanna cook instant noodles in your hotel room kettle you’re kind of bound to places that serve you food.
You can blame the europeans here for not knowing or even intentionally not conforming, but tipping being a heavily debated difference between US and EU catering culture is really old news and all these pub owners also could’ve just factored the tip into the price they already inflated for this event anyway.
You can’t blame people for thinking their 15 dollar beer includes the service.
So it still just circles back around to stingy employers if you ask me.
The way to vote with your wallet on this is to not go to the restaurant, not to still go and then be an asshole to the underpaid staff. Not leaving a tip doesn’t hurt the exploitative restaurateur or the system you “disagree with” but are still willfully participating in as far as it suits you. Also, fuck the Post.
You can’t expect people who aren’t used to tipping and are used to correct prices in the menu to start paying 20%-50% extra out of nowhere. The disturbing situation of the US is not their fault.
I’m fine with this idea. But just so I understand, doesn’t not going to the restaurant also hurt the staff? Is the idea to hurt the owner and the staff at the same time?
I ask because during COVID restaurant staff were definitely calling for people to go to restaurants more to “keep them alive.” At least they were in my area.
Not going to the restaurant doesn’t hurt the staff any more than going and not tipping.
So people should go and just not tip since it won’t affect the employees anyway?
They’ve wasted time serving you for $2.13/hr when they could have been serving someone who was going to tip then instead of being a prick about it.
Sounds like they should demand compensation from their boss then, if they’re working without compensation.
Victim blaming is always the easy solution, isn’t it.
Maybe if they don’t want to work there anymore they could. But until they’re all part of the SEIU or similar the owner/manager has all the power in their relationship.
Yeah, the system is broken, but you fucking over the person at the bottom doesn’t make you some sort of hero. You’re no better than the assholes leaving Chick Tracts instead of cash.
So, what is the solution then?
It may be just me, but this seems like turning serfs on serfs while everyone goes to the powers that be rather than actually addressing the issue. I mean, I’m fine with just eating out less and tipping when I do, but I don’t see how not tipping is morally wrong when they entered system was about morally exploiting the costumer.
Also, the process only exists because restauranteurs had difficulty paying their employees during the great depression and encouraged them to accept payment To Insure Promptness (TIP). Can we just go back to a system when I only tip when my food is delivered quickly and the service is above average rather than to prevent people from spitting in my food because that is somehow now socially acceptable?
Am I missing something though? Because this whole thing seems like a less horrific version for rape being an implied additional punishment of jail in the US.
I’m not going to pretend to know the right answer to the fixing the system, but I’m pretty sure further exploiting the workers trying to pay rent and put food on their own tables while contributing to the profits of the ones doing the exploiting isn’t it.
I’m not sure where you’re getting anything about spitting in your food, typically in a sit down restaurant the bill and tip are reconciled at the end of the meal so there’s no opportunity for that even if they wanted to.
The great depression and ensuring promptness are all out of order and incorrect. The term itself is from the 17th century, and in America, it gained popularity because of racism (because of course it did) after the civil war.
https://www.tiphaus.com/blog/The-history-of-tipping/
https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/09/what-is-the-origin-of-the-word-tip-as-in-leaving-a-tip/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tip-sheet/
And are you implying that being expected to tip is the same as being raped? That seems like a pretty unhinged take on the situation, even with the “less horrific” disclaimer. But I guess if that’s the direction we’re headed the waitstaff deserve to get shafted and that girl shouldn’t have been wearing a skirt, or walking alone at night, or having a drink, or whatever justification you want to offer, right?
This rewards the owner and punishes the worker.
A question here: If “voting with your wallet” does not influence the restaurant… How can we do this??
In a system that is “used to this situation” why should something change, if everybody behaves the same. That’s the first time America sees an outside perspective and the solution you propose is still: “let’s keep it this way, otherwise we ‘hurt’ people”. The people don’t see that they are exploited… Maybe that’s the “straw” they need?
To be fair, a lot of this probably isn’t even intentional. Tipping just isn’t nearly as much of a thing in Europe and people just forget. And also these people being tourists are usually not people with access to a kitchen to cook their own shit in, so unless you wanna cook instant noodles in your hotel room kettle you’re kind of bound to places that serve you food.
You can blame the europeans here for not knowing or even intentionally not conforming, but tipping being a heavily debated difference between US and EU catering culture is really old news and all these pub owners also could’ve just factored the tip into the price they already inflated for this event anyway. You can’t blame people for thinking their 15 dollar beer includes the service.
So it still just circles back around to stingy employers if you ask me.