Well no, my argument is that whether the 20% is included in the bill or you have to do math you’re still paying the same price so what is the actual functional difference besides
A) making you do math
And
B) giving you the choice to be a prick for a 20% discount at the worker’s expense.
I’ve so far not heard any other differences but I have heard a lot of excuses for not ponying up that supposedly fine 20%.
And still nobody has answered why 10% for taxes not included is fine but 20% for tip not included is over the line.
It’s sounding like you’re all a bunch of selfish smegheads to me, honestly.
If you’re a prick for not tipping and it’s a discount rather than a bonus, then it’s absolutely an issue of the employer exploiting labor.
State sales tax would ideally be factored into the listed price, but regardless, it’s mandatory and baked into the bill. I don’t need to play games deciding if, when and how much to add on, which tipping requests have become.
Dine in? Sure, 20%. Get one beer from the bar? A burrito for take out?
You’re calling people selfish when there was no mention of not tipping, just that it’s a problematic system.
Sure it is, nobody is arguing that. But that is how it works currently, and not tipping won’t change that, it only hurts the employee and adds to their exploitation.
It is actually in the listed price in some states, but not in others. That oughta add to the confusion for ya lol. But then this brings up another question, many restaurants automatically add 20% to tables of 6+, so by your logic on taxes you’d prefer they just raise the menu price 20% but
it’s mandatory and baked into the bill. You don’t need to play games deciding if, when and how much to add on
So that’d be fine right? (Which iirc that’s what many of the restaurants actually are doing).
One beer from the bar I’ll just give them $1. If I can afford to give it to a homeless dude for literally no reason I don’t mind giving it to a bartender for pouring a draft, fuck math here’s a buck, it’s more than 20% but it is one dollar who cares.
“A burrito for take-out” where are you? Fast food? No tip. Local family owned restaurant? Probably not necessary but I’ll drop a few in the jar if I can, I love my local guys the food is just so fucking good.
Fair enough, if they don’t tip* then they’re selfish. I only worked in foodservice for about 13yr and in that time I never had a good tipper complain about tipping, so something tells me I’m probably right, but could be that everyone here is unlike all the complainers that came before them.
Tbh I’m sure one or two of them here do still tip, but I’m betting I’m right on average.
I worked most positions in the industry over seven years. I’m not concerned about how I tip and I can also think it is a dog shit system.
When you agree saying “sure it is, nobody is arguing that,” but you started with “what really is the functional difference here? …is it just hatred of math?” That’s dissonant.
So by that you mean you do tip, or that you don’t care that you don’t tip? Nice purposely vague statement but I’d like clarification.
What is the functional difference for the customer? Sure for the worker it means you can no longer stiff them, as I said repeatedly, but for YOU THE CUSTOMER, what is the difference other than doing math?
Well no, my argument is that whether the 20% is included in the bill or you have to do math you’re still paying the same price so what is the actual functional difference besides
A) making you do math
And
B) giving you the choice to be a prick for a 20% discount at the worker’s expense.
I’ve so far not heard any other differences but I have heard a lot of excuses for not ponying up that supposedly fine 20%.
And still nobody has answered why 10% for taxes not included is fine but 20% for tip not included is over the line.
It’s sounding like you’re all a bunch of selfish smegheads to me, honestly.
If you’re a prick for not tipping and it’s a discount rather than a bonus, then it’s absolutely an issue of the employer exploiting labor.
State sales tax would ideally be factored into the listed price, but regardless, it’s mandatory and baked into the bill. I don’t need to play games deciding if, when and how much to add on, which tipping requests have become.
Dine in? Sure, 20%. Get one beer from the bar? A burrito for take out?
You’re calling people selfish when there was no mention of not tipping, just that it’s a problematic system.
Sure it is, nobody is arguing that. But that is how it works currently, and not tipping won’t change that, it only hurts the employee and adds to their exploitation.
It is actually in the listed price in some states, but not in others. That oughta add to the confusion for ya lol. But then this brings up another question, many restaurants automatically add 20% to tables of 6+, so by your logic on taxes you’d prefer they just raise the menu price 20% but
So that’d be fine right? (Which iirc that’s what many of the restaurants actually are doing).
One beer from the bar I’ll just give them $1. If I can afford to give it to a homeless dude for literally no reason I don’t mind giving it to a bartender for pouring a draft, fuck math here’s a buck, it’s more than 20% but it is one dollar who cares.
“A burrito for take-out” where are you? Fast food? No tip. Local family owned restaurant? Probably not necessary but I’ll drop a few in the jar if I can, I love my local guys the food is just so fucking good.
Fair enough, if they don’t tip* then they’re selfish. I only worked in foodservice for about 13yr and in that time I never had a good tipper complain about tipping, so something tells me I’m probably right, but could be that everyone here is unlike all the complainers that came before them.
Tbh I’m sure one or two of them here do still tip, but I’m betting I’m right on average.
I worked most positions in the industry over seven years. I’m not concerned about how I tip and I can also think it is a dog shit system.
When you agree saying “sure it is, nobody is arguing that,” but you started with “what really is the functional difference here? …is it just hatred of math?” That’s dissonant.
So by that you mean you do tip, or that you don’t care that you don’t tip? Nice purposely vague statement but I’d like clarification.
What is the functional difference for the customer? Sure for the worker it means you can no longer stiff them, as I said repeatedly, but for YOU THE CUSTOMER, what is the difference other than doing math?